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Sure, but this is only possible because the LLM is trained on those answers.
by bazoom42 1y ago
Sure, but this is only possible because the LLM is trained on those answers.
- karaterobot 1y agoProving that AI is not just parroting back what it reads on the web, ChatGPT manages to correct my programming mistakes without making me feel bad. If it learned from Substack, I'm glad it learned selectively!
- protocolture 1y agoSure, but the technology peels off the aggravation and delivers the content without the asshats. If someone stuck an LLM between me and facebook, so I got all my facebook content without the flat earthers, moon landing deniers and tartarians, meta would never see me again.
- didgetmaster 1y agoThat's not good enough. The AI has to give me updates on important events of my friends and family without showing me everything they ate at restaurants, funny cat videos they liked, or what movies they planned to watch.
- andy99 1y agoIt was bootstrapped from SO. Now there are third party data companies like Scale AI that pay gig workers to write code examples for LLM training. It's died down but I saw lots of spam for this (ie hiring) earlier in the year. Sota LLMs didn't get that way by scraping the internet, it's all custom labeled datasets.
- asdff 1y agoI guess that means AI isn't relieving us of our jobs then. Model must ingest ever more experimental data. Full circle.
- golergka 1y agoNo, at this point it can just ingest official library documentation and produce good SO-like answers.
- asdff 1y agoToo bad library documentation has taken a nosedive for a lot of modern tools. I blame all those automagic documentation/packaging tools that take some 2 line string and your args for each function and turn it into a boilerplate documentation page. You truly learn nothing you wouldn't by just looking at the source code of the function for pages generated like this. The author spends no additional time adding potentially useful information. A far cry from what you get when you man bash for example, where they even teach you how to file a bug report.
- Shorn 1y agoPlus, they're getting real world training data from everyone who either hasn't or doesn't have the ability to opt out of their stuff being used. For my personal stuff, I don't opt out of training for this very reason. What's more, I resent Stack Overflow and Reddit etc. trying to gate-keep the content that I wanted to give to the community and charge rent for it. I used to intentionally post question-answer style posts where I would both ask the question,wait for a while, then answer the question on both Reddit and Stack Overflow. I don't do that anymore because I'm not giving them free money if they're not passing some of the benefit on to the community
- ack_inc 1y ago"... resent SO and Reddit trying to gatekeep": Am curious why you felt they were gatekeeping your content. They are free websites, and anybody who wants/needs to read your content, can. "... not giving them free money if they're notnpassing some of the benefits ..." - Could you expand on the specific benefits you wanted them to pass on to the community? As a user, being able to find other people's content that is relevant to my current need is already a pretty solid benefit.
- guelo 1y agoI'm afraid programming is going to be frozen at 2020s tech for the foreseeable future. New frameworks, libraries and languages will suffer from a chicken and egg problem where no one uses them because LLMs don't know how to answer questions about them and LLMs can't learn the new stuff because programmers aren't generating new samples for the LLMs to ingest.
- username3 1y agoYou should see what Elixir is doing with Tidewave and usage rules. https://www.zachdaniel.dev/p/usage-rules-leveling-the-playing https://www.zachdaniel.dev/p/usage-rules-leveling-the-playin...
- wombatpm 1y agoRise of the documentation specialist. Where specs and standards and documentation and design documentation is required and not just an afterthought.
- oulu2006 1y agonot sure if that's a bad thing when it comes for FE frameworks - not reinventing it every 5-7 years i think is a good thing.
- rikroots 1y agoThis is why I've had to spend a huge amount of my free coding time this year documenting my canvas library[1][2] in a way that can (potentially[3]) be used as LLM training data instead of, well, developing my library with new and exciting (to me) features. On the silver lining side, it's work that I should have been doing anyway. It turns out that documenting the features of the library in a way that makes sense to LLMs also helps potential users of the library. So, win:win. [1] - Telling the LLM training data Overlords about the capabilities of the library is in itself a major piece of work: https://github.com/KaliedaRik/Scrawl-canvas/blob/v8/LLM-summary-for-scrawl-canvas.md https://github.com/KaliedaRik/Scrawl-canvas/blob/v8/LLM-summ... [2] - The Developer Runbook was long-overdue documentation, and is still a work-in-progress: https://scrawl-v8.rikweb.org.uk/documentation https://scrawl-v8.rikweb.org.uk/documentation [3] - Nothing is guaranteed, of course. Training data has to be curated so documentation needs to have some rigour to it. Also, the LLMs tell me it can take 6-12 months for such documentation to be picked up and applied to future LLM model iterations so I won't know if my efforts have been successful before mid-2026.
- mvdtnz 1y agoNot my problem as a user.
- fmbb 1y agoNot really. The overlap between people bothering to answer ”stupid question, RTFM” and people able to give useful answers is extremely small. The meaningful data the LLMs are trained on is the actual answers.
- mnky9800n 1y agoI don’t feel sorry for those that have lost because they couldn’t be nice to others. Being nice costs nothing. And it’s nice to be nice.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoTrue, but the LLM is always polite and in problem solving mode, while SO is in a curating mode. This makes it a great knowledge base and LLM training set, but not a great source to have your questions answered. I think a big part of why people prefer to ask an online forum instead of using the search function is the human interaction aspect, but that requires two people, including a mentor who is patient and helpful - and unfortunately, that's difficult to find. An LLM is patient, helpful, and problem-solving, but also responds pretty much immediately.
- rob74 1y agoYeah, the helpful LLM always has an answer to your questions - if it can't find one, it'll simply hallucinate one.
- FranzFerdiNaN 1y agoAt least it wont tell you to stfu and get better and close the chat like SO will do.
- dagw 1y agoSure, but so will SO. On most questions it seems that at least a third of the answers are just wrong in one way or another. At least with an LLM you can just tell it's wrong and have a new, hopefully better, answers 30 seconds later, all without hurting its feelings or getting into a massive online flame war.
- BeFlatXIII 1y agoBut it won't hallucinate a vote to close as duplicate (of another language entirely, last updated in 2013).
- imtringued 1y agoA lot of the questions asked on stack overflow can be answered by reading the source code and documentation of the libraries and frameworks. An LLM can do the same thing. It doesn't need stack overflow for knowledge or content, it needs it for the question->answer format.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y agoIf there's a wiki effort to contribute our private LLM responses back into the public pool, I'll join it to spite the AI companies.