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Americans also consume a lot more healthcare than others. Yes, if you are poor and uninsured in US it sucks. But americans go way more to the doctor and wait le

Americans also consume a lot more healthcare than others. Yes, if you are poor and uninsured in US it sucks. But americans go way more to the doctor and wait less in time than in Europe.

masfuerte 1y ago
Sure, you wait less time per visit but you spend far more time overall on medical nonsense for worse outcomes. What is the point?
- victorbjorklund 1y ago
  In Sweden we can wait 6 months for a doctors visit. My impression is americans expect same day visit.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Okay, but you understand this isn't actually beneficial, right? Because American spend more, but Sweden has significantly better healthcare outcomes. So the American system is just worse, period. Also: on the topic of same-day visits because I think there's some confusion here. American can, maybe, get same-day visits if and only if they have a PCP, which is increasingly rare. Your PCP cannot do jack fucking shit. At best, they can swab your throat. Every type of condition management outside of Strep MUST go to a specialist. Your tummy been hurting a lot? That's a job for a gastroenterologist, not your PCP. For specialists, it's not uncommon to wait many months or even a year. Especially because most insurance plans require a referral - so you have to see two doctors.
theragra 1y ago
Weirdly, my sister in the US with good insurance waits more then I do in my post Soviet country. Although I have insurance and money to skip the lines. Still, I was surprised to hear how much she waits.
jmyeet 1y ago
Yeah, um, citation needed. As one counterexample, there is a statistically significant spike in cancer diagnoses in the US at age 65 [1]. Why? Because people are on Medicare then so they finally go see a doctor. Another: the US is the worst for wait times [2]. The US has almost the lowest rate of annual doctor visits of any country, in large part due to lack of access and cost [3]. [1]: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/03/Cancer-diagnoses-implies-patients-wait-for-Medicare.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/03/Cancer-diagno... [2]: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-wait-times-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-ca... [3]: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-how-often-people-go-to-the-doctor-by-country/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-how-often-people-go-...

Americans also consume a lot more healthcare than others. Yes, if you are poor and uninsured in US it sucks. But americans go way more to the doctor and wait less in time than in Europe.

masfuerte 1y ago

Sure, you wait less time per visit but you spend far more time overall on medical nonsense for worse outcomes. What is the point?

victorbjorklund 1y ago
In Sweden we can wait 6 months for a doctors visit. My impression is americans expect same day visit.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Okay, but you understand this isn't actually beneficial, right? Because American spend more, but Sweden has significantly better healthcare outcomes. So the American system is just worse, period. Also: on the topic of same-day visits because I think there's some confusion here. American can, maybe, get same-day visits if and only if they have a PCP, which is increasingly rare. Your PCP cannot do jack fucking shit. At best, they can swab your throat. Every type of condition management outside of Strep MUST go to a specialist. Your tummy been hurting a lot? That's a job for a gastroenterologist, not your PCP. For specialists, it's not uncommon to wait many months or even a year. Especially because most insurance plans require a referral - so you have to see two doctors.

theragra 1y ago

Weirdly, my sister in the US with good insurance waits more then I do in my post Soviet country. Although I have insurance and money to skip the lines. Still, I was surprised to hear how much she waits.

jmyeet 1y ago

Yeah, um, citation needed. As one counterexample, there is a statistically significant spike in cancer diagnoses in the US at age 65 [1]. Why? Because people are on Medicare then so they finally go see a doctor. Another: the US is the worst for wait times [2]. The US has almost the lowest rate of annual doctor visits of any country, in large part due to lack of access and cost [3]. [1]: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/03/Cancer-diagnoses-implies-patients-wait-for-Medicare.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/03/Cancer-diagno... [2]: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-wait-times-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-ca... [3]: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-how-often-people-go-to-the-doctor-by-country/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-how-often-people-go-...