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I think we need a lot more accessible disclosure on the subject for the public. Even beyond government services, products exposing one to the US should come wit

by isodev 1y ago

I think we need a lot more accessible disclosure on the subject for the public. Even beyond government services, products exposing one to the US should come with a big fat warning.

hulitu 1y ago
> products exposing one to the US should come with a big fat warning You mean products like Microsoft Windows, Apple's iOS and MacOS, Google's Android, Chrome and ChromeOS, Cisco, Fortinet, HP, Dell, AWS, Linux, Meta's Whatsapp Facebook and Instagram and so on and so forth.
- fsflover 1y ago
  > Linux Citation needed.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
    Systemd's default dns settings, depending on distro defaults. Yes, it's not the kernel you are probably starting to nitpick about, but it doesn't run anywhere else, so far.
    - fsflover 1y ago
      So it's not Linux but certain privacy-unfriendly distros.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
        I'm not exactly sure, anymore. I think I've first read about it, some years ago, at the time not using systemd anywhere, personally. IIRC it was about the default dns servers pointing to cloudflare and google in upstream. So it would rather be the other way around. The upstream default was(is?) privacy unfriendly. What the distros do with this is another matter. Similar stuff arose with timesyncd (ntp), and some other small thing which I can't remember anymore, atm.
        fsflover 1y ago
        You do have a point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23712434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23712434 Nevertheless it's a tiny thing compared with every other item in your list, and many respected distros fix it.
  - pjc50 1y ago
    Linus was born a Finn but is now a US national.
    - fsflover 1y ago
      GNU/Linux is FLOSS, so nationality doesn't matter.
  - hulitu 1y ago
    > Citation needed https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-remove-russian-maintainers-of-linux-kernel-heres-what-torvalds-says/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-remove-russian-maintainers...
    - fsflover 1y ago
      This doesn't look fair indeed, but it's not what the parent was saying at all. Linux doesn't belong to the same list as the megacorps.
- protocolture 1y ago
  Yes
- isodev 1y ago
  Yes, so the ones you didn’t list will stand out.

by isodev 1y ago

I think we need a lot more accessible disclosure on the subject for the public. Even beyond government services, products exposing one to the US should come with a big fat warning.

hulitu 1y ago

> products exposing one to the US should come with a big fat warning You mean products like Microsoft Windows, Apple's iOS and MacOS, Google's Android, Chrome and ChromeOS, Cisco, Fortinet, HP, Dell, AWS, Linux, Meta's Whatsapp Facebook and Instagram and so on and so forth.

fsflover 1y ago
> Linux Citation needed.
- LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
  Systemd's default dns settings, depending on distro defaults. Yes, it's not the kernel you are probably starting to nitpick about, but it doesn't run anywhere else, so far.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    So it's not Linux but certain privacy-unfriendly distros.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
      I'm not exactly sure, anymore. I think I've first read about it, some years ago, at the time not using systemd anywhere, personally. IIRC it was about the default dns servers pointing to cloudflare and google in upstream. So it would rather be the other way around. The upstream default was(is?) privacy unfriendly. What the distros do with this is another matter. Similar stuff arose with timesyncd (ntp), and some other small thing which I can't remember anymore, atm.
      - fsflover 1y ago
        You do have a point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23712434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23712434 Nevertheless it's a tiny thing compared with every other item in your list, and many respected distros fix it.
- pjc50 1y ago
  Linus was born a Finn but is now a US national.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    GNU/Linux is FLOSS, so nationality doesn't matter.
- hulitu 1y ago
  > Citation needed https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-remove-russian-maintainers-of-linux-kernel-heres-what-torvalds-says/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-remove-russian-maintainers...
  - fsflover 1y ago
    This doesn't look fair indeed, but it's not what the parent was saying at all. Linux doesn't belong to the same list as the megacorps.
protocolture 1y ago
Yes
isodev 1y ago
Yes, so the ones you didn’t list will stand out.