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I bet it’s also a rev share model. Hotel doesn’t pay for the device but revenue is shared. Like the traffic cameras where they shorten yellow light to duratio

by adrr 1y ago

I bet it’s also a rev share model. Hotel doesn’t pay for the device but revenue is shared. Like the traffic cameras where they shorten yellow light to durations that a car is incapable of stopping in time.

walterbell 1y ago
Primitive contract asset tokenization. What other parts of the hotel-customer contract could become zero-capex financial instruments powered by ambiguous surveillance data, washed in health and safety? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_tokenization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_tokenization Asset tokenization refers to the process of converting rights to a real-world asset into a digital token on a blockchain or distributed ledger. These tokens represent ownership, rights, or claims on tangible or intangible assets and can be traded or transferred on digital platforms. https://cointelegraph.com/news/sec-tokenization-exemption-genius-act-passes https://cointelegraph.com/news/sec-tokenization-exemption-ge... > SEC.. considering changes that would promote tokenization, including an innovation exception that would allow for new trading methods and provide targeted relief to support the development of a tokenized securities ecosystem .. Atkins said the movement of assets onchain is inevitable, stating: “If it can be tokenized, it will be tokenized.”
progbits 1y ago
So aside from Rest being incompetent morons ("temperature changes" from smoking??), they now also have incentive to make it trigger as much as possible.
- chii 1y ago
  > incentive it's not an incentive, it's a raison d'etre!
- b112 1y ago
  So now when I play a game on my laptop, I get charged too?? (People were mentioning hair dryers)
kotaKat 1y ago
Check the App Store screenshots - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rest-by-noiseaware/id6449251426?platform=iphone https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rest-by-noiseaware/id644925142... The app even tracks the whole fee amount in-app being collected. "Net charge", "adjusted charge amount" reasons of "guest complaint"...
- lxgr 1y ago
  Their "NoiseAware" main product line also sounds incredibly dystopian. Apparently, that's a "privacy-safe" microphone listening in rental properties, to "detect crowds gathering"...!? This type of creepy stuff, together with Airbnb's horrible business practices (last time they wanted access to my checking account transaction history via Plaid!) and enabling scammy hosts, is why I'm back to just staying at regular hotels. Sad to see some of them are now start adopting the same type of customer-hostile technology as well.
  - egypturnash 1y ago
    AirBnB partiers are a real problem, I live in a tourist destination and regularly hear horror stories about a residential neighborhood suddenly having crowds descend on a house that's become a party rental. There's nobody to notice it getting out of hand and tell them to chill before the neighbors call the cops because the owner is a holding company on the other side of the country. Of course Airbnbs are also a real problem in general with the way they increase the scarcity of housing, so I'm pretty happy all in all to see you saying you're being driven back to hotels.
    - majormajor 1y ago
      Feels like a fun opportunity for a jurisdiction to legislate and pursue eminent domain seizures of "party homes" with absentee landlords.
    - HWR_14 1y ago
      I think repeatedly calling the police is the correct way to handle an AirBnB party house in your neighborhood. I don't want to instead have the unpaid job of monitoring the guests for the absentee owner and be responsible for telling them to chill. Of course, a long term neighbor it is different. There the police would be a last resort.
like_any_other 1y ago
> Like the traffic cameras where they shorten yellow light to durations that a car is incapable of stopping in time. One reckless endangerment in the first degree charge per every car passing through such an intersection. That is a class D felony, with a maximum penalty of 5-10 years prison time. Per car.
RajT88 1y ago
Hello from Chicago!
WWLink 1y ago
What's messed up about red light cameras is they can actually be useful - if used correctly! The correct use case is "We seem to have a problem with red light runners at this intersection, so let's find out why by temporarily deploying red light cameras here." I've seen this done and the city in question found out. They were able to make some changes to the light timing and at several intersections, that caused the amount of red light runners to drastically drop. (It was stuff like the left turn light not turning green when the straight forward light did).
- olyjohn 1y ago
  The only experimentation that you need to to is extend the damn yellow lights. Long enough duration of yellow lights reduces accidents to nearly zero. This has been proven over and over 1000x. The data has been out there for 40+ years. There's zero need for red light cameras.

by adrr 1y ago

walterbell 1y ago

Primitive contract asset tokenization. What other parts of the hotel-customer contract could become zero-capex financial instruments powered by ambiguous surveillance data, washed in health and safety? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_tokenization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_tokenization Asset tokenization refers to the process of converting rights to a real-world asset into a digital token on a blockchain or distributed ledger. These tokens represent ownership, rights, or claims on tangible or intangible assets and can be traded or transferred on digital platforms. https://cointelegraph.com/news/sec-tokenization-exemption-genius-act-passes https://cointelegraph.com/news/sec-tokenization-exemption-ge... > SEC.. considering changes that would promote tokenization, including an innovation exception that would allow for new trading methods and provide targeted relief to support the development of a tokenized securities ecosystem .. Atkins said the movement of assets onchain is inevitable, stating: “If it can be tokenized, it will be tokenized.”

progbits 1y ago

So aside from Rest being incompetent morons ("temperature changes" from smoking??), they now also have incentive to make it trigger as much as possible.

chii 1y ago
> incentive it's not an incentive, it's a raison d'etre!
b112 1y ago
So now when I play a game on my laptop, I get charged too?? (People were mentioning hair dryers)

kotaKat 1y ago

Check the App Store screenshots - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rest-by-noiseaware/id6449251426?platform=iphone https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rest-by-noiseaware/id644925142... The app even tracks the whole fee amount in-app being collected. "Net charge", "adjusted charge amount" reasons of "guest complaint"...

lxgr 1y ago
Their "NoiseAware" main product line also sounds incredibly dystopian. Apparently, that's a "privacy-safe" microphone listening in rental properties, to "detect crowds gathering"...!? This type of creepy stuff, together with Airbnb's horrible business practices (last time they wanted access to my checking account transaction history via Plaid!) and enabling scammy hosts, is why I'm back to just staying at regular hotels. Sad to see some of them are now start adopting the same type of customer-hostile technology as well.
- egypturnash 1y ago
  AirBnB partiers are a real problem, I live in a tourist destination and regularly hear horror stories about a residential neighborhood suddenly having crowds descend on a house that's become a party rental. There's nobody to notice it getting out of hand and tell them to chill before the neighbors call the cops because the owner is a holding company on the other side of the country. Of course Airbnbs are also a real problem in general with the way they increase the scarcity of housing, so I'm pretty happy all in all to see you saying you're being driven back to hotels.
  - majormajor 1y ago
    Feels like a fun opportunity for a jurisdiction to legislate and pursue eminent domain seizures of "party homes" with absentee landlords.
  - HWR_14 1y ago
    I think repeatedly calling the police is the correct way to handle an AirBnB party house in your neighborhood. I don't want to instead have the unpaid job of monitoring the guests for the absentee owner and be responsible for telling them to chill. Of course, a long term neighbor it is different. There the police would be a last resort.

like_any_other 1y ago

> Like the traffic cameras where they shorten yellow light to durations that a car is incapable of stopping in time. One reckless endangerment in the first degree charge per every car passing through such an intersection. That is a class D felony, with a maximum penalty of 5-10 years prison time. Per car.

RajT88 1y ago

Hello from Chicago!

WWLink 1y ago

What's messed up about red light cameras is they can actually be useful - if used correctly! The correct use case is "We seem to have a problem with red light runners at this intersection, so let's find out why by temporarily deploying red light cameras here." I've seen this done and the city in question found out. They were able to make some changes to the light timing and at several intersections, that caused the amount of red light runners to drastically drop. (It was stuff like the left turn light not turning green when the straight forward light did).

olyjohn 1y ago
The only experimentation that you need to to is extend the damn yellow lights. Long enough duration of yellow lights reduces accidents to nearly zero. This has been proven over and over 1000x. The data has been out there for 40+ years. There's zero need for red light cameras.