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Last week I saw some dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun

Last week I saw some dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun at someone who photographed the car's license plate. Appellate courts in the First, Third, Fifth, Seventh, Ninth, and Eleventh Circuits have all held there's a first amendment right to film police, and that law enforcement officers do not have an expectation of privacy in the performance of their duties.

ctoth 1y ago
Obviously this is clearly and demonstrably because those courts are odd.
supportengineer 1y ago
This only matters if the Executive Branch is answerable to the courts, which clearly they are not any more.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun at someone who photographed the car's license plate We're unfortunately waiting for one of those ICE agents, on camera, to pull the trigger and kill or brutally maim someone doing nothing other than filming, or worse an innocent bystander. It doesn't seem like our political system or even high court currently have the coherence to deal with evil in less-stark terms. (To my knowledge, there isn't a firearms proficiency requirement for ICE agents. And a basic rule of firearm safety is you don't point your gun at anything you don't eventually want to get shot.)
- clipsy 1y ago
  > We're unfortunately waiting for one of those ICE agents, on camera, to pull the trigger and kill or brutally maim someone doing nothing other than filming, or worse an innocent bystander. It doesn't seem like our political system or even high court currently have the coherence to deal with evil in less-stark terms. They won't deal with it then, either.
  - ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
    They will see the public not really react and realize they can just do whatever they want.
- foogazi 1y ago
  > To my knowledge, there isn't a firearms proficiency requirement for ICE agents. Source ?
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    Nope, I was wrong [1]. (I got thrown off by this memo [2].) [1] https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf#page82 https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID25542... [2] https://www.ice.gov/doclib/dro/family-residential/pdf/rs_staff_hiring_and_training.pdf https://www.ice.gov/doclib/dro/family-residential/pdf/rs_sta...
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Training or not, cops clearly really do want to shoot everyone they point their gun at, often do, and usually get away with it
lenerdenator 1y ago
For all we know, that was just some psychopath in a car leaping out and pointing a gun at someone. In several parts of the country, doing that puts your life at immediate and substantial risk.

ctoth 1y ago

Obviously this is clearly and demonstrably because those courts are odd.

supportengineer 1y ago

This only matters if the Executive Branch is answerable to the courts, which clearly they are not any more.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> dashcam video of a masked ICE agent (or similar, they don't have uniforms or proper identification) leaping out of a car and pointing a gun at someone who photographed the car's license plate We're unfortunately waiting for one of those ICE agents, on camera, to pull the trigger and kill or brutally maim someone doing nothing other than filming, or worse an innocent bystander. It doesn't seem like our political system or even high court currently have the coherence to deal with evil in less-stark terms. (To my knowledge, there isn't a firearms proficiency requirement for ICE agents. And a basic rule of firearm safety is you don't point your gun at anything you don't eventually want to get shot.)

clipsy 1y ago
> We're unfortunately waiting for one of those ICE agents, on camera, to pull the trigger and kill or brutally maim someone doing nothing other than filming, or worse an innocent bystander. It doesn't seem like our political system or even high court currently have the coherence to deal with evil in less-stark terms. They won't deal with it then, either.
- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
  They will see the public not really react and realize they can just do whatever they want.
foogazi 1y ago
> To my knowledge, there isn't a firearms proficiency requirement for ICE agents. Source ?
- deleted 1y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  Nope, I was wrong [1]. (I got thrown off by this memo [2].) [1] https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf#page82 https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID25542... [2] https://www.ice.gov/doclib/dro/family-residential/pdf/rs_staff_hiring_and_training.pdf https://www.ice.gov/doclib/dro/family-residential/pdf/rs_sta...
queenkjuul 1y ago
Training or not, cops clearly really do want to shoot everyone they point their gun at, often do, and usually get away with it

lenerdenator 1y ago

For all we know, that was just some psychopath in a car leaping out and pointing a gun at someone. In several parts of the country, doing that puts your life at immediate and substantial risk.