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The inevitable end of all government compiled lists of people
by loourr 1y ago
The inevitable end of all government compiled lists of people
- mlinhares 1y agoIts the other way around, authoritarian governments will now compile even more and larger lists of everything they can possibly get from their citizens. North Korea would be proud of what this administration is doing.
- bl0b 1y agoI think they meant 'end' as in the 'ultimate destination' rather than 'conclusion'.
- skybrian 1y agoTrump getting elected wasn’t inevitable. There were unusual events during the 2016 election campaign that could have resulted in a different outcome if their timing had been different.
- giantg2 1y agoWhat they're saying is that government lists get abused. That's true no matter who is in power.
- leptons 1y agoSorry but both sides are not the same.
- ilikecakeandpie 1y agoYep. Anyone saying that they are is being intellectually dishonest and likely trying to feel better about doing nothing
- orthecreedence 1y agoAgreed. One side is actively fascist and the other side passively fascist.
- leptons 1y agoYou do not agree with me. You're still using the tired old "both sides" argument. The voting record proves you wrong.
- gosub100 1y agoBillionaires paid for Hillary, dems couldn't be bothered to listen to the people. Took 0 responsibility for it. Just took her campaign war chest and dumped it into a media smear campaign.
- kashunstva 1y ago> Billionaires paid for Hillary, dems couldn't be bothered to listen to the people. To be fair, other billionaires paid for this one; and this one is still not listening to the people.
- gosub100 1y agoThat's fair. I want people to understand it's not about my tribe vs your tribe. If the goal is to get idiots like Trump out of Washington, you must first remove money from politics. Then even if "your guy" doesn't get elected, you at least have a decent specimen installed who your party can work with. No one of average intelligence can even see that as an option. For this reason, the DNC is just as responsible for his election as the utterly deranged MAGA avatar.
- ilikecakeandpie 1y ago> dems couldn't be bothered to listen to the people No one was forced to vote for Clinton and nominating a loser of the primary would have set an awful precedent.
- gosub100 1y agoNominating Bernie would have led to a victory over Trump
- ilikecakeandpie 1y agoAgain, no one forced anyone to vote for her; they chose to do so of their own volition. Bernie did not win because, for whatever reason, not enough people voted for him. I say this as someone who voted for him in 2016 To muse he would have beaten Trump is like saying the Bills could have beaten the Eagles in the Super Bowl. Maybe they could have, but they didn't beat the Chiefs. It's not a forgone conclusion that he would have beaten Trump, but even so it really doesn't matter because he lost in the primaries
- xdennis 1y agoBut the lists were compiled before Trump took office. Countries that have experience with totalitarianism don't make those lists to begin with. That's why in France, for example, it's illegal for the government to keep track of people's race or religion. When the Nazis occupied France they used such documents to figure out who the Jews were.
- freedomben 1y agoWe really don't seem to like learning the lessons of history
- shakow 1y ago> it's illegal for the government to keep track of people's race We don't even have the concept of “race”.
- heavyset_go 1y agoOur government does, unfortunately
- Jensson 1y agoUSA does force you to name your race whenever you apply for a job, and that is then sent to the government.
- disgruntledphd2 1y agoAfaik, you can't even track marriages! Like, I get the historical reasons but I think a national statistical agency should be able to release aggregates.
- tiahura 1y agoCountries that have experience with totalitarianism don't make those lists to begin with. I’m pretty sure the German government has a list of people enrolled in the German socialized medical system.
- mafuy 1y ago
- bigyabai 1y agoClient Side Scanning tried to hash your files to help the government find any "child predators" using iPhone. You know, the same federal government that refused to assign a special prosecutor to the Epstein files. You can rest assured Apple and the Fed are very interested in protecting the children. Anyone who refuses to allow that sort of process is probably a criminal anyways, right?
- autoexec 1y agoIt doesn't matter who compiles the lists anymore. Corporations will sell that data to the government (and anyone else willing to pay enough) or the government will march in and take it by force. As long as lists of people are useful they will be created, and as long as our government is unaccountable to the people and the law those lists will be at risk of being abused by the state for other purposes.
- yongjik 1y agoIn many other countries, people would be asking "This is horrible, how can we bring down this leader, and how can we ensure that it never happens again?" But here in glorious America, people are asking "This is inevitable, how can we starve the government more, so that it cannot hurt us when it eventually tries to?" It's telling that, every time there's an election, we keep hearing complaints about who can vote, because its citizens decided that the government shouldn't keep track of who are its citizens and where they live. In most other countries it's the government's job to issue a photo ID to every citizen, but no, here in America that sounds too convenient and it must be some evil big-gov agenda.
- jahewson 1y agoRemind me which side of the Atlantic is throwing its citizens in jail for tweets?