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Every couple of years MS do an update that messes up multi-boot/dual boot. I'm sure it's on purpose at this point, and relatively sure "Secure Boot" is how they

Every couple of years MS do an update that messes up multi-boot/dual boot. I'm sure it's on purpose at this point, and relatively sure "Secure Boot" is how they achieve it. Still on Windows only for kids games. Linux user since last millennium.

blkhawk 1y ago
As a Linux-only gamer since 2019 I wonder what kids games you are talking about?
- repstosb 1y ago
  There are things like Roblox that are really only usable under Windows due to a perverse idea of what "anti-cheat" should look like.
  - blkhawk 1y ago
    ah, I almost mentioned roblox but checking protondb it has gold status. So it should work?
  - 71bw 1y ago
    https://sober.vinegarhq.org/ https://sober.vinegarhq.org/
    - pbhjpbhj 1y ago
      I can confirm Sober works really well, possibly slightly smoother than the Windows client. I couldn't get it to run via Proton/Wine at all.
- pbhjpbhj 1y ago
  I've stopped trying to fight to install things on Linux. Anything with kernel level anticheat it seems is torment. They okay Fortnite, and quite a bit of Marvel Rivals (which initially worked, then stopped, I see reports suggesting it's working again but I don't have time to be full-time support to keep things running smoothly). We do use Kubuntu for games that run in it without drama - Risk of Rain, Roblox (via Sober), browser games, CS2. They also are expected to use Microsoft Office for school (UK), it's possible to work that online, but the experience is worse, slower, more prone to issues it seems. Fwiw, I've been a Linux distro user for decades and was Linux only until the first child got to highschool. Microsoft's "educational" policy works for them!
ChocolateGod 1y ago
> Every couple of years MS do an update that messes up multi-boot/dual boot IIRC the last time this happened it was the fault of Linux distros not updating their packages, it was just a Microsoft update updating the security requirements that affected distros that were caught slacking.
- account42 1y ago
  The idea that MS should be able make orders that distros then have to follow is insane. If MS breaks something it absolutely is their fault.
  - ChocolateGod 1y ago
    No it's not. Microsoft has to disable outdated and vulnerable signed bootloaders to stop them being used for secure boot bypasses. Microsoft worked with RH to get things updated which they did, it's just distros for caught slacking and were shipping an outdated vulnerable boot loader. I know it's the norm to bash Microsoft and they do a lot of crappy things, but in this case it was just certain distros not taking security updates seriously, which is why a lot never broke (such as Fedora)
- noAnswer 1y ago
  So Windows installs something that brakes Linux boot. How are you supposed to boot Linux to install a fix? Am I expected to reboot into a different OS twice a day and check for updates? Am I slacking for not doing so?!
  - ChocolateGod 1y ago
    No, Windows updated a UEFI component that disables outdated and vulnerable bootloaders to stop them being used as secure boot bypasses.

blkhawk 1y ago

As a Linux-only gamer since 2019 I wonder what kids games you are talking about?

repstosb 1y ago
There are things like Roblox that are really only usable under Windows due to a perverse idea of what "anti-cheat" should look like.
- blkhawk 1y ago
  ah, I almost mentioned roblox but checking protondb it has gold status. So it should work?
- 71bw 1y ago
  https://sober.vinegarhq.org/ https://sober.vinegarhq.org/
  - pbhjpbhj 1y ago
    I can confirm Sober works really well, possibly slightly smoother than the Windows client. I couldn't get it to run via Proton/Wine at all.
pbhjpbhj 1y ago
I've stopped trying to fight to install things on Linux. Anything with kernel level anticheat it seems is torment. They okay Fortnite, and quite a bit of Marvel Rivals (which initially worked, then stopped, I see reports suggesting it's working again but I don't have time to be full-time support to keep things running smoothly). We do use Kubuntu for games that run in it without drama - Risk of Rain, Roblox (via Sober), browser games, CS2. They also are expected to use Microsoft Office for school (UK), it's possible to work that online, but the experience is worse, slower, more prone to issues it seems. Fwiw, I've been a Linux distro user for decades and was Linux only until the first child got to highschool. Microsoft's "educational" policy works for them!

ChocolateGod 1y ago

> Every couple of years MS do an update that messes up multi-boot/dual boot IIRC the last time this happened it was the fault of Linux distros not updating their packages, it was just a Microsoft update updating the security requirements that affected distros that were caught slacking.

account42 1y ago
The idea that MS should be able make orders that distros then have to follow is insane. If MS breaks something it absolutely is their fault.
- ChocolateGod 1y ago
  No it's not. Microsoft has to disable outdated and vulnerable signed bootloaders to stop them being used for secure boot bypasses. Microsoft worked with RH to get things updated which they did, it's just distros for caught slacking and were shipping an outdated vulnerable boot loader. I know it's the norm to bash Microsoft and they do a lot of crappy things, but in this case it was just certain distros not taking security updates seriously, which is why a lot never broke (such as Fedora)
noAnswer 1y ago
So Windows installs something that brakes Linux boot. How are you supposed to boot Linux to install a fix? Am I expected to reboot into a different OS twice a day and check for updates? Am I slacking for not doing so?!
- ChocolateGod 1y ago
  No, Windows updated a UEFI component that disables outdated and vulnerable bootloaders to stop them being used as secure boot bypasses.