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It's a privilege to even have your Apple device working. If Apple decides it won't work, you're at their mercy.

by gblargg 1y ago

Razengan 1y ago
Same goes for Windows or Android really.
- aniforprez 1y ago
  If my windows device fails, I'm not going to Microsoft. I either fix the offending part of my desktop or laptop, or reinstall the OS or move to a different OS. If something is wrong with my android phone, I'm not going to Google since I don't own a Pixel and will go to the manufacturer of the phone. If it's a purely software issue, there are steps I can actually take to flash a different ROM though admittedly it's not an easy process. Here Apple not only owns the device but also the software it's running as well as distribution of apps for this device except for CLI tools distributed by brew or other package managers. At least with a Mac I can install and run applications over the Internet. With an iPhone that's not at all possible (not sure about the status of side loading with the EU ruling and all)
  - Razengan 1y ago
    Look up how many times a forced Windows update borked someone out of their computer. Installing Windows without a key is not exactly straightforward, then there's that constant gentle reminder of how your copy of "Windows is not activated". Microsoft COULD push an update that encrypts your hard drive, and forces you to pay $1000 for a key, if they wanted to. It's unlikely, but the same as > If Apple decides it won't work, you're at their mercy.
- RedCardRef 1y ago
  Not really the case for Android, you skip the google account setup or the amazon account setup if you are using a fire tablet and continue using the device by sideloading whatever APKs you want. Most of the times the APKs that depend on Google Play Services will continue to work fine. I skipped the amazon account registration and directly sideloaded the Google Play apps on my fire tablet. Even for Google TVs you can skip the setup and use the TV as is. You can sideload APKs on this as well. AFAIK, the account setup/login circumvention is not possible on fire tv sticks/google chromecasts. You can take a very old android device factory reset it and continue using at as an offline only device without the blessings of google or amazon. (Except FRP devices) But that is not the case with Apple, you need to connect it atleast once to the internet to activate the device.
  - ale42 1y ago
    > Not really the case for Android, you skip the google account setup Is this possible even if the account is locked to the device (FRP), which is often the case?
    - swiftcoder 1y ago
      (from unfortunate experience) no. You have to have freed your android phone from the shackles before your account ceases to work
- lawn 1y ago
  How many alternative operating systems work well on Apple devices? Android phones usually have multiple options (Lineage, Calyx, eos, Graphene, depending on your particular phone) and you can always replace Windows with Linux.
  - throwawaysoxjje 1y ago
    How well do those alternatives play with your banking app?
    - jojobas 1y ago
      Why would you want a banking app? If your bank won't work over browser and insists on installing some crap on your device, shop for another bank.
      - exe34 1y ago
        ^This. For me, it's not my phone that's defective, it's the app. My phone runs my other ~10 apps that provide for my digital life perfectly fine, with the level of security I'm comfortable with (root access, firewall to block anything in/out that I don't specifically allow). If this is a problem for your app, your app is broken. I'll use something else.
      - asimovDev 1y ago
        In Finland, for example, you have to authenticate online through your banking application for any online government service or things like mobile plan. This 2FA is basically mandatory and the alternative is using keys printed on a paper that you have to pay for cause every key is one time use only and I am not sure they will continue that service for long. It’s probably similar in Sweden and other neighbouring countries
        jojobas 1y ago
        The government delegates authentication to banks of all things? I guess shop for another country?

It's a privilege to even have your Apple device working. If Apple decides it won't work, you're at their mercy.

Razengan 1y ago

Same goes for Windows or Android really.

aniforprez 1y ago
If my windows device fails, I'm not going to Microsoft. I either fix the offending part of my desktop or laptop, or reinstall the OS or move to a different OS. If something is wrong with my android phone, I'm not going to Google since I don't own a Pixel and will go to the manufacturer of the phone. If it's a purely software issue, there are steps I can actually take to flash a different ROM though admittedly it's not an easy process. Here Apple not only owns the device but also the software it's running as well as distribution of apps for this device except for CLI tools distributed by brew or other package managers. At least with a Mac I can install and run applications over the Internet. With an iPhone that's not at all possible (not sure about the status of side loading with the EU ruling and all)
- Razengan 1y ago
  Look up how many times a forced Windows update borked someone out of their computer. Installing Windows without a key is not exactly straightforward, then there's that constant gentle reminder of how your copy of "Windows is not activated". Microsoft COULD push an update that encrypts your hard drive, and forces you to pay $1000 for a key, if they wanted to. It's unlikely, but the same as > If Apple decides it won't work, you're at their mercy.
RedCardRef 1y ago
Not really the case for Android, you skip the google account setup or the amazon account setup if you are using a fire tablet and continue using the device by sideloading whatever APKs you want. Most of the times the APKs that depend on Google Play Services will continue to work fine. I skipped the amazon account registration and directly sideloaded the Google Play apps on my fire tablet. Even for Google TVs you can skip the setup and use the TV as is. You can sideload APKs on this as well. AFAIK, the account setup/login circumvention is not possible on fire tv sticks/google chromecasts. You can take a very old android device factory reset it and continue using at as an offline only device without the blessings of google or amazon. (Except FRP devices) But that is not the case with Apple, you need to connect it atleast once to the internet to activate the device.
- ale42 1y ago
  > Not really the case for Android, you skip the google account setup Is this possible even if the account is locked to the device (FRP), which is often the case?
  - swiftcoder 1y ago
    (from unfortunate experience) no. You have to have freed your android phone from the shackles before your account ceases to work
lawn 1y ago
How many alternative operating systems work well on Apple devices? Android phones usually have multiple options (Lineage, Calyx, eos, Graphene, depending on your particular phone) and you can always replace Windows with Linux.
- throwawaysoxjje 1y ago
  How well do those alternatives play with your banking app?
  - jojobas 1y ago
    Why would you want a banking app? If your bank won't work over browser and insists on installing some crap on your device, shop for another bank.
    - exe34 1y ago
      ^This. For me, it's not my phone that's defective, it's the app. My phone runs my other ~10 apps that provide for my digital life perfectly fine, with the level of security I'm comfortable with (root access, firewall to block anything in/out that I don't specifically allow). If this is a problem for your app, your app is broken. I'll use something else.
    - asimovDev 1y ago
      In Finland, for example, you have to authenticate online through your banking application for any online government service or things like mobile plan. This 2FA is basically mandatory and the alternative is using keys printed on a paper that you have to pay for cause every key is one time use only and I am not sure they will continue that service for long. It’s probably similar in Sweden and other neighbouring countries
      - jojobas 1y ago
        The government delegates authentication to banks of all things? I guess shop for another country?