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this sounds like a cop out, but honestly you will probably see the most vocal on both sides of this here while vast majority are just quietly doing working and

this sounds like a cop out, but honestly you will probably see the most vocal on both sides of this here while vast majority are just quietly doing working and doing their stuff (ironic i'm writing this). i feel like some kind of shill, but honestly i'm anywhere from 1.5x to 10x on certain tasks. the main benefit is that i can reduce a lot of cognitive load on tasks where they are either 1) exploratory 2) throwaway 3) boilerplate-ish/refactor type stuff. because of that i have a more consistent baseline. i still code "by hand". i still have to babysit and review almost all the lines, i don't just let it run for hours and try to review it at the end (nightmare). production app that's been running for years. i don't post youtube videos bc i don't have the time to set it up and try to disprove the "naysayers" (nor does that even matter) and its code i can't share. the caveat here is we are a super lean team so probably i have more context into the entire system and can identify problems early on and head them off. also i have a vested interest in increasing efficiency for myself wheras if you're part of a corpo ur probably doing more work for the same comp.

magicalist 1y ago
> this sounds like a cop out This may sound more mean than I intend, but your comment is exactly the kind of thing the GP post was describing as useless yet ubiquitous.
- ookblah 1y ago
  i mean i get it, but at some point you have to either assume everyone is lying or we are all bots or something. it's probably the same feeling i get when i read someone having trouble and my first thought is like "they aren't using it right". i'm sure the reverse is something like "they aren't a real programmer" LOL.
  - jimbokun 1y ago
    It's much simpler than that. Without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking, these conversations are heat without light.
    - ookblah 1y ago
      and without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking to fail these conversations are heat without light. see how that works? nobody can be bothered to show how these coding llms fall flat on their face apparently with their own real detailed examples and people can't be bothered to setup some detailed youtube video with all source code because in the end i'm not trying that hard to convince people to use tools they don't want to use. i think with all the comments maybe the more people who stumble through this the better. the cloudflare example is a decent starting point and i've already given you the general approach. i'm fine with that being a copout lol.
      - jimbokun 1y ago
        > and without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking to fail these conversations are heat without light. Of course.
filoeleven 1y ago
> i'm anywhere from 1.5x to 10x on certain tasks By your own reckoning. There was that recent study showing how senior devs using AI thought they were 20% faster, when they were objectively 20% slower.
- leptons 1y ago
  They may spend 20% less time writing code but 20% more time explaining to the AI what they want and fixing the output. People are not good at basic math or time accounting, even programmers.
- ookblah 1y ago
  i mean at this point i don't really know what to say to comments like these basically calling me a liar lol. i log increases in sustained lines outputted and removed, files touched, features pushed per day. you can argue the level of increase, but it's definitely not 20% slower shrugs. and this is exactly what i'm talking about. in the end who gives a shit about some study that may or may not apply to me as long its actually working. people literally frothing at the mouth to tell people who find it useful that they are utterly wrong or delusional. if you don't like it then just go about your day, thx.
- ikrenji 1y ago
  i wouldn't draw broad conclusions on this based on one study. especially since it's going against what many people self-report. studies are often flawed.

magicalist 1y ago

> this sounds like a cop out This may sound more mean than I intend, but your comment is exactly the kind of thing the GP post was describing as useless yet ubiquitous.

ookblah 1y ago
i mean i get it, but at some point you have to either assume everyone is lying or we are all bots or something. it's probably the same feeling i get when i read someone having trouble and my first thought is like "they aren't using it right". i'm sure the reverse is something like "they aren't a real programmer" LOL.
- jimbokun 1y ago
  It's much simpler than that. Without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking, these conversations are heat without light.
  - ookblah 1y ago
    and without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking to fail these conversations are heat without light. see how that works? nobody can be bothered to show how these coding llms fall flat on their face apparently with their own real detailed examples and people can't be bothered to setup some detailed youtube video with all source code because in the end i'm not trying that hard to convince people to use tools they don't want to use. i think with all the comments maybe the more people who stumble through this the better. the cloudflare example is a decent starting point and i've already given you the general approach. i'm fine with that being a copout lol.
    - jimbokun 1y ago
      > and without concrete details about the exact steps you're taking to fail these conversations are heat without light. Of course.

filoeleven 1y ago

> i'm anywhere from 1.5x to 10x on certain tasks By your own reckoning. There was that recent study showing how senior devs using AI thought they were 20% faster, when they were objectively 20% slower.

leptons 1y ago
They may spend 20% less time writing code but 20% more time explaining to the AI what they want and fixing the output. People are not good at basic math or time accounting, even programmers.
ookblah 1y ago
i mean at this point i don't really know what to say to comments like these basically calling me a liar lol. i log increases in sustained lines outputted and removed, files touched, features pushed per day. you can argue the level of increase, but it's definitely not 20% slower shrugs. and this is exactly what i'm talking about. in the end who gives a shit about some study that may or may not apply to me as long its actually working. people literally frothing at the mouth to tell people who find it useful that they are utterly wrong or delusional. if you don't like it then just go about your day, thx.
ikrenji 1y ago
i wouldn't draw broad conclusions on this based on one study. especially since it's going against what many people self-report. studies are often flawed.