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They're likely burning money so I can't be pissed off yet, but we see the same Cursor as well; the pricing is not transparent. I'm paying for Max, and when I u

They're likely burning money so I can't be pissed off yet, but we see the same Cursor as well; the pricing is not transparent. I'm paying for Max, and when I use the tooling to calculate the spend returned by the API, I can see it's almost $1k! I have no idea how much quota I have left until the next block. The pricing returned by the API doesn't make any sense.

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roxolotl 1y ago
A coworker of mine claimed they've been burning $1k a week this month. Pretty wild it’s only costing the company $200 a month.
- gerdesj 1y ago
  Crikey. Now I get the business model: I hire someone for say £5K/mo. They then spend $200/mo or is it a $1000/wk on Claude or whatevs. Profit!
  - AtheistOfFail 1y ago
    The model is "outspend others until they're bankrupt". Known as the Uber model or Amazon vs Diapers.com
    - devnullbrain 1y ago
      It's a shame that the LLM era missed out on coinciding with the zero interest rates era. Just imagine the waste we could create.
    - margalabargala 1y ago
      > Amazon vs Diapers.com To be fair that was a little different; Amazon wanted to buy the parent company of Diapers.com so sold at a loss to tank the value of the company so they could buy it cheap.
- Terretta 1y ago
  Wasn't there a stat somewhere that a good o3-pro deep research was ~$3500, per question?
  - sothatsit 1y ago
    I highly doubt that was ever the case in the UI version. You're probably thinking of when they benchmarked o3-high on ARC-AGI and it cost $3440 per question.
dfsegoat 1y ago
Can you clarify which tooling you are using? Is it cursor-stats?
- d4rkp4ttern 1y ago
  Look up ccusage. Great tool. Run “ccusage blocks” and you’ll see where you are in the current block.
neom 1y ago
We just came out of closed alpha yesterday and have been trying to figure out how best to price, if you'd be willing to provide any feedback I'd certainly appreciate it: https://www.charlielabs.ai/pricing https://www.charlielabs.ai/pricing - Thank you!! :)
- r0fl 1y ago
  You are charging $2500 a month!? I’ll assuming this is real and not trolling. Who are the customers? What kind of people spend that much? I know people using $200-300 models but this is 10x that!
  - neom 1y ago
    We were in closed alpha and thankfully a fair number of teams converted. To your point: right now we don't have any users on the $2500/mth plan, but it aligned with what the people on the $500/mth plan are asking for, we'll see..! :) I was really wondering if our concept of credits is kinda hard to understand?
isodev 1y ago
> They're likely burning money so I can't be pissed off yet What do you mean? That’s totally a good reason to be pissed off at them. I’m so tired of products that launch before they have a clear path to profitability.
- buremba 1y ago
  I'm okay with free VC money; it's their problem to make it profitable.

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roxolotl 1y ago

A coworker of mine claimed they've been burning $1k a week this month. Pretty wild it’s only costing the company $200 a month.

gerdesj 1y ago
Crikey. Now I get the business model: I hire someone for say £5K/mo. They then spend $200/mo or is it a $1000/wk on Claude or whatevs. Profit!
- AtheistOfFail 1y ago
  The model is "outspend others until they're bankrupt". Known as the Uber model or Amazon vs Diapers.com
  - devnullbrain 1y ago
    It's a shame that the LLM era missed out on coinciding with the zero interest rates era. Just imagine the waste we could create.
  - margalabargala 1y ago
    > Amazon vs Diapers.com To be fair that was a little different; Amazon wanted to buy the parent company of Diapers.com so sold at a loss to tank the value of the company so they could buy it cheap.
Terretta 1y ago
Wasn't there a stat somewhere that a good o3-pro deep research was ~$3500, per question?
- sothatsit 1y ago
  I highly doubt that was ever the case in the UI version. You're probably thinking of when they benchmarked o3-high on ARC-AGI and it cost $3440 per question.

dfsegoat 1y ago

Can you clarify which tooling you are using? Is it cursor-stats?

d4rkp4ttern 1y ago
Look up ccusage. Great tool. Run “ccusage blocks” and you’ll see where you are in the current block.

neom 1y ago

We just came out of closed alpha yesterday and have been trying to figure out how best to price, if you'd be willing to provide any feedback I'd certainly appreciate it: https://www.charlielabs.ai/pricing https://www.charlielabs.ai/pricing - Thank you!! :)

r0fl 1y ago
You are charging $2500 a month!? I’ll assuming this is real and not trolling. Who are the customers? What kind of people spend that much? I know people using $200-300 models but this is 10x that!
- neom 1y ago
  We were in closed alpha and thankfully a fair number of teams converted. To your point: right now we don't have any users on the $2500/mth plan, but it aligned with what the people on the $500/mth plan are asking for, we'll see..! :) I was really wondering if our concept of credits is kinda hard to understand?

isodev 1y ago

> They're likely burning money so I can't be pissed off yet What do you mean? That’s totally a good reason to be pissed off at them. I’m so tired of products that launch before they have a clear path to profitability.

buremba 1y ago
I'm okay with free VC money; it's their problem to make it profitable.