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Let's assume the question has been asked in good faith. Yes, I actually do. And I lose money because of that, significant amounts, because I run a SaaS, where
by jwr 1y ago
Let's assume the question has been asked in good faith.
Yes, I actually do. And I lose money because of that, significant amounts, because I run a SaaS, where I (as an example) stopped service to all customers from Russia when the full invasion of Ukraine started. So it's not just about not paying, it's about refusing money as well.
It's easy to fall into the "whataboutism" trap and do nothing, because one can always say "but what about… [insert country here]". I decided to draw the line somewhere. With Russia it's actually easy: an unprovoked invasion of another country, targeting civilians, raping and murdering, there have been few wars where things were so black and white in the history of mankind. With other countries it's more difficult, but I still draw a line, and state-sanctioned genocide falls beyond that line.
Some people say one should not "punish" entire countries or populations for the actions of their leaders. I disagree. Leaders are leaders because they have been elected, and/or have support within the population. And in 21st century there should be consequences for choosing, supporting, or allowing the growth of power of a leader that is a war-raging lunatic.
I do not accept simply doing nothing.
- lukan 1y ago"I do not accept simply doing nothing." You can also donate to the Ukrainian army directly. Or to amnesty international. Or a tons of other options instead of collective punishment. What is the ordinary russian against the war supposed to do? They don't even have a real option of leaving the country as most other states don't want them because they are russian. In my opinion this helps Putin in his propaganda that the west just hates russia.
- throw123xz 1y agoJust because you decide to do something, it doesn't mean that you have to do everything. Even if you wanted to, it's likely that you can't. > In my opinion this helps Putin in his propaganda that the west just hates russia. It does help him, but you're not going to support those who do nothing or feed the machine waging war just so Putin's propaganda gets a bit weaker. If the average Russian doesn't understand that the reaction is due to their (well, mostly their governments) actions, then that's another problem that only them can fix.
- sergeykish 1y agoMajority of Russian Federation population support occupation of Ukraine - independent polls at the start of open invasion. They would stop only when faced consequences.
- lukan 1y agoYes. And donating to the ukrainian army directly has direct consequences for exactly those who volunteer fighting against Ukraine. Punishing all russians, well, punishes all russian independent of opinion.
- lostlogin 1y agoDo you support any sanctions against Russia?
- lukan 1y agoYes. Sanctions for military goods. Nothing against the civilian population.
- lukan 1y agoAnd also against involved persons and organisations of course.
- lostlogin 1y agoSo should Russian oil and gas exports be blocked?
- lukan 1y agoThe way it is done right now? That russia sells oil to india and EU buys it from there? Not really.
- lostlogin 1y agoSo if not this imperfect way, how do you block the main source of revenue? The sanctions are hurting Russia, so it’s at least partially effective.
- lukan 1y ago"how do you block the main source of revenue?" Why should I? How about not mixing up civilian and military targets? Current trajectory is heading straight into total war, I simply would restrain on target military targets.
- unclad5968 1y ago> It's easy to fall into the "whataboutism" trap and do nothing, because one can always say "but what about… [insert country here]". I decided to draw the line somewhere. That's a good point. It's a nuanced topic and I was genuinely curious. I'm not involved in any international business with Russia, so it's interesting to hear about it from the perspective of someone affected by it financially.
- g-b-r 1y ago> Leaders are leaders because they have been elected, and/or have support within the population. What?
- lostlogin 1y agoWhat’s confusing about that statement?