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> massive amounts of red tape (environmental studies, zoning, planning) Well, we've seen what happened without the red tape, when people were free to do whatev

> massive amounts of red tape (environmental studies, zoning, planning) Well, we've seen what happened without the red tape, when people were free to do whatever the fuck they wanted, and the results often aren't pretty. Sometimes, they were deadly, and occasionally we are reminded of why it might not be a good idea to just let the "free market" do what it wants [1]. Red tape doesn't just appear out of thin air, it appears when politicians are so pissed off about the "free market" that they actually find it worthwhile to do their goddamn jobs for once. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio,_train_derailment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio,_train_de...

marcosdumay 1y ago
> Red tape doesn't just appear out of thin air It mostly appears when politicians force law-enforcement not to punish bad actors for so long that society requires them to punish everybody so that the bad actors will go away.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  Law enforcement can only act when laws are broken, that's the point. And building codes, zoning codes, that kind of stuff isn't a matter for law enforcement aka police unless someone gets seriously hurt or killed anyway - but if what happened was legal, it's considered an "act of God".
  - marcosdumay 1y ago
    Law enforcement isn't the same as police. And laws aren't the same as red-tape.
pj_mukh 1y ago
This is a red-herring. No one is suggesting loosening laws on whether a building will stay standing. The red tape is literally on whether barn owls in Downtown Mountain View will be hurt by an apartment building. This is not a serious consideration and is blatant NIMBY value capture and should be stopped and removed. What's more, if you don't build that apartment downtown, expect real environmental damage when wild flora and fauna is paved over to build another exurb and highways to connect it all AKA the last 50 years of North American housing policy
shitpostbot 1y ago
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JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> we've seen what happened without the red tape, when people were free to do whatever the fuck they wanted, and the results often aren't pretty You mean most of the built environment of New York City?

marcosdumay 1y ago

> Red tape doesn't just appear out of thin air It mostly appears when politicians force law-enforcement not to punish bad actors for so long that society requires them to punish everybody so that the bad actors will go away.

mschuster91 1y ago
Law enforcement can only act when laws are broken, that's the point. And building codes, zoning codes, that kind of stuff isn't a matter for law enforcement aka police unless someone gets seriously hurt or killed anyway - but if what happened was legal, it's considered an "act of God".
- marcosdumay 1y ago
  Law enforcement isn't the same as police. And laws aren't the same as red-tape.

pj_mukh 1y ago

This is a red-herring. No one is suggesting loosening laws on whether a building will stay standing. The red tape is literally on whether barn owls in Downtown Mountain View will be hurt by an apartment building. This is not a serious consideration and is blatant NIMBY value capture and should be stopped and removed. What's more, if you don't build that apartment downtown, expect real environmental damage when wild flora and fauna is paved over to build another exurb and highways to connect it all AKA the last 50 years of North American housing policy

shitpostbot 1y ago

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JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> we've seen what happened without the red tape, when people were free to do whatever the fuck they wanted, and the results often aren't pretty You mean most of the built environment of New York City?