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It's the disposable side of the practice that I disagree with. Hiring should feel like a marriage or a commitment for any business. Just my opinion though. I t

It's the disposable side of the practice that I disagree with. Hiring should feel like a marriage or a commitment for any business. Just my opinion though. I think we've become too complacent/accepting of corporations just laying off employees with what amounts to a shrug.

dylan604 1y ago
> Hiring should feel like a marriage it does though doesn't it? divorce is so common that marriage no longer feels like it has any permanence like you imply it does
- JKCalhoun 1y ago
  I guess I meant hiring should feel like I feel about marriage. Married 27 years — still on the first wife. :-)
  - cjbgkagh 1y ago
    Good for you, terrible analogy though
- shakna 1y ago
  Divorce may be common, but a divorce without trauma is still a rarer thing.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    getting fired is without trauma?
    - shakna 1y ago
      Are you still producing your fired certificate, 17 years down the line, for every background check, rental application, and date?
      - dylan604 1y ago
        I don't know what a fired certificate is unless you're making a funny about you needing to do that with a divorce certificate? I also don't know what that is either. There's a divorce decree issued by the court, is that what you mean? Have you actually had a date ask to see legal documents about your divorce or any of the other situations? I just have no experience with any of that so it seems very strange, and feels like your just belaboring the point.
        shakna 1y ago
        Yes, divorces are processed through the courts. Yes, it comes with a certificate. Yes, it affects your legal life forever more. As that's all pretty basic... Maybe you... Don't understand divorce well enough to say whether or not it fits an analogy.
        dylan604 1y ago
        Been there done that got the decree and everything. You’re right, I don’t understand your musings as not once has anyone ever asked to see proof of my divorce. Some forms that ask about marital status might have a divorced option, but not all. It does not affect my credit. It does not affect job interviews. I really just have no way to relate to what you’re saying as it has never happened to me, nor have I ever heard anyone else complain about needing to provide this certificate. You are literally the first person. That’s such an outlier that I have to question its legitimacy.
        shakna 1y ago
        Go get a background check, as legally required for most job applications. Equifax cares about more than just your credit rating. But as you call it a "decree", and I only know one legal system that does (Texas), we're probably from different backgrounds here.
        dylan604 1y ago
        I've had plenty of background checks. Not once have I ever been asked to provide divorce documentation. I've had security checks as well. Have I been asked if I'm divorced? Sure. Never have I needed to show someone the details of the divorce itself. It's not my employer's business who got what in the divorce. So let's just flip this. Why have you been asked, and what were they asking to see? Proof you are divorced? Did you claim something that you were awarded by the judge and had to show proof of it? If someone is asking for that kind of information, did you not ask why they needed and get an answer? It would be much easier if you just explained your experience as it is the outlier here
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  The average marriage lasts about 20 years. Companies should be able to fire people, but they shouldn't be overhiring in good years and then tossing people out in the next rough patch.
legitster 1y ago
I'm kinda with you that in most situations corporations would probably be better off hiring slower and then riding out downturns on cash. But big picture I disagree. We kind of need creative destruction in an economy - we need to be able to lay off people in horse buggey industries so that they can be hired to make Model T's. We're better off focusing on our social safety network and having a job market that encourages some amount of transit between careers.
- JKCalhoun 1y ago
  I agree with the social safety net. It feels as much of a long-shot though as corporations acting more responsibly. :-/
tjwebbnorfolk 1y ago
> Hiring should feel like a marriage or a commitment for any business. Treating the employer/employee relationship like some life-long commitment sounds like pure hell. It is a transaction. I don't want it to be anything more than that.
zamadatix 1y ago
I wish it weren't such a big deal in ones life they keep their current employer (from the perspective of things like health insurance plans, retirement plans, PTO balances, basic income). If it weren't so god damned painful to change jobs or have some gaps longer than a month or two then maybe we'd have a chance to just treat jobs as jobs we move between instead of a sacred vow for life lest we be thrown into chaos when broken.

dylan604 1y ago

> Hiring should feel like a marriage it does though doesn't it? divorce is so common that marriage no longer feels like it has any permanence like you imply it does

JKCalhoun 1y ago
I guess I meant hiring should feel like I feel about marriage. Married 27 years — still on the first wife. :-)
- cjbgkagh 1y ago
  Good for you, terrible analogy though
shakna 1y ago
Divorce may be common, but a divorce without trauma is still a rarer thing.
- dylan604 1y ago
  getting fired is without trauma?
  - shakna 1y ago
    Are you still producing your fired certificate, 17 years down the line, for every background check, rental application, and date?
    - dylan604 1y ago
      I don't know what a fired certificate is unless you're making a funny about you needing to do that with a divorce certificate? I also don't know what that is either. There's a divorce decree issued by the court, is that what you mean? Have you actually had a date ask to see legal documents about your divorce or any of the other situations? I just have no experience with any of that so it seems very strange, and feels like your just belaboring the point.
      - shakna 1y ago
        Yes, divorces are processed through the courts. Yes, it comes with a certificate. Yes, it affects your legal life forever more. As that's all pretty basic... Maybe you... Don't understand divorce well enough to say whether or not it fits an analogy.
        dylan604 1y ago
        Been there done that got the decree and everything. You’re right, I don’t understand your musings as not once has anyone ever asked to see proof of my divorce. Some forms that ask about marital status might have a divorced option, but not all. It does not affect my credit. It does not affect job interviews. I really just have no way to relate to what you’re saying as it has never happened to me, nor have I ever heard anyone else complain about needing to provide this certificate. You are literally the first person. That’s such an outlier that I have to question its legitimacy.
        shakna 1y ago
        Go get a background check, as legally required for most job applications. Equifax cares about more than just your credit rating. But as you call it a "decree", and I only know one legal system that does (Texas), we're probably from different backgrounds here.
        dylan604 1y ago
        I've had plenty of background checks. Not once have I ever been asked to provide divorce documentation. I've had security checks as well. Have I been asked if I'm divorced? Sure. Never have I needed to show someone the details of the divorce itself. It's not my employer's business who got what in the divorce. So let's just flip this. Why have you been asked, and what were they asking to see? Proof you are divorced? Did you claim something that you were awarded by the judge and had to show proof of it? If someone is asking for that kind of information, did you not ask why they needed and get an answer? It would be much easier if you just explained your experience as it is the outlier here
Dylan16807 1y ago
The average marriage lasts about 20 years. Companies should be able to fire people, but they shouldn't be overhiring in good years and then tossing people out in the next rough patch.

legitster 1y ago

I'm kinda with you that in most situations corporations would probably be better off hiring slower and then riding out downturns on cash. But big picture I disagree. We kind of need creative destruction in an economy - we need to be able to lay off people in horse buggey industries so that they can be hired to make Model T's. We're better off focusing on our social safety network and having a job market that encourages some amount of transit between careers.

JKCalhoun 1y ago
I agree with the social safety net. It feels as much of a long-shot though as corporations acting more responsibly. :-/

tjwebbnorfolk 1y ago

> Hiring should feel like a marriage or a commitment for any business. Treating the employer/employee relationship like some life-long commitment sounds like pure hell. It is a transaction. I don't want it to be anything more than that.

zamadatix 1y ago

I wish it weren't such a big deal in ones life they keep their current employer (from the perspective of things like health insurance plans, retirement plans, PTO balances, basic income). If it weren't so god damned painful to change jobs or have some gaps longer than a month or two then maybe we'd have a chance to just treat jobs as jobs we move between instead of a sacred vow for life lest we be thrown into chaos when broken.