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Zuckerberg says Meta will build a data center the size of Manhattan in AI push
- bediger4000 1y agoFor a single, square building, this area would be about 5 miles on a side. That's ridiculous, and you'd have a hard time getting rid of the heat If you're putting up fences, include no-go zones, curvy roads with check points and bollards, etc etc to protect a number of large but not absurdly large buildings, maybe. Still seems on the big size.
- dskhatri 1y agoSome of the graphics indicate a contiguous building but it makes no sense to be constructed that way. The footprint probably includes power generation, power conversion, cooling systems, and compute centers as distinct blocks/buildings within the site.
- quickthrowman 1y agoIt likely won’t be a single building the size of Manhattan, Facebook doesn’t build their data centers like that now. Each Facebook data center has multiple buildings on each site, at least at the three sites I am familiar with.
- joules77 1y agoHe has to go on signaling to attract people (at this stage its mostly opportunists having a field day).
- Melatonic 1y agoLot of eggs to put in one basket. What happens if there is some type of natural disaster in the area?
- quantified 1y agoThe title is pure clickbait, Zuck didn't say that. "A significant part of the footprint" could be 2%.
- tootie 1y agohttps://www.threads.com/@zuck/post/DMF6tMAxkX8 https://www.threads.com/@zuck/post/DMF6tMAxkX8 He has a little animation of the building overlayed on Manhattan. Looks like it would cover maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the land.
- lisbbb 1y agoIf AI crap needs that much footprint I'm pretty sure it's just not worth it.
- Tarsul 1y agoproblem is that Big Tech has the money and wants to spend it. Maybe only a downturn can stop (or slow) this.
- dmitrygr 1y agoHow many elephants will it weigh? How many times faster than a cheetah will it be?
- cosmicgadget 1y agoWhat is the compute power in metaflops???
- seydor 1y agoi m not sure it's a good investment. As soon as ASI is invented, it will make the investment obsolete. Maybe i should sell my Meta stock. I find it ridiculous to think that we will be able to exploit ASI for our benefit. It's like a bunch of ants plotting to enslave and exploit humans. Also Elon is smarter - he s spending Saudi money instead of his own
- rsynnott 1y ago> while another, called Hyperion, will be able to scale up to 5 gigawatts over the coming years, Zuckerberg said. Someone hasn't read the Dan Simmons novel, it seems. Well, one would hope, anyway.
- IvyMike 1y agoFrom the classic tweet[0]: > Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale > Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus [0]: https://x.com/AlexBlechman/status/1457842724128833538?lang=en https://x.com/AlexBlechman/status/1457842724128833538?lang=e...
- AlwaysRock 1y agoPalantir Technologies is named after the "palantír" from Lord of the Rings. Famously, a well-used and safe technology.
- jordanb 1y agoReally takes a special guy to read a fantasy novel and identify with the villain.
- defrost 1y agoThe official video for the Laibach cover of Sympathy for the Devil comes to mind. ( The Robert Fripp, Toyah Wilcox Sunday Lunch cover Sympathy is just a distracting nod to growing old disgracefully )
- palmotea 1y ago> Really takes a special guy to read a fantasy novel and identify with the villain. IIRC, the palantír were kind of neutral, and created by elves. Honestly, I think these techlord LOTR fans identify with the heroes, and lack the insight to realize they'd actually be the villains. They're totally Sarumans raping the forest to build an Orc army to conquer the world.
- BoredPositron 1y agoZuck is so reactive in everything and even as last mover he always misses. Would make me icky working for meta.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> even as last mover he always misses Instagram. WhatsApp.
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- BoredPositron 1y agoTalking about original ideas/ip.
- JumpCrisscross 1y agoIsn’t the definition of last mover that it isn’t an original idea?
- BoredPositron 1y agoThey weren't last movers in both examples. They had a product, it failed to get a userbase... they bought the users.
- longfingers 1y agoManaging his own companies with copies of ideas hasn't gone very well for him AFA I remember, acquiring companies that are good in their field and not ruining them has been a talent compared to other Techs.
- gorjusborg 1y agoHe renamed his company Meta, as in metaverse. I understand you are responding to the 'always', but can we agree that at least his level of confidence in an idea isn't a great indicator?
- moneycantbuy 1y agosee https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44562052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44562052 basically zuck destroys the surrounding neighborhood without consequence.
- londons_explore 1y agoThere is only a fixed amount of silicon production capacity. That can't be scaled up quickly. Powering all produced chips 24x7 is therefore the maximum energy use. I suspect these huge AI datacenter proposals are bigger than that - and therefore either aren't going to happen, or will be delayed many years.
- MichaelRazum 1y agoGrok4 was trained on 100k or 200k GPUs (as far as I understand) Grok5 might need 1MM or 2MM. So the question is what about metas / zucks plans? How many GPUs will Manhattan get? Looks like, that to get the next unlock you need crazy amounts of compute.
- jiggawatts 1y agoMeta had the equivalent of about 600K H100 cards a year ago, but they were geographically distributed and used mostly for inference. These giant data centres will allow these companies to put about a million in one location and possibly into a single giant training cluster.
- syeare 1y agoBetter make your own powerplant Unsurprising if they steal from the same source as taxpayers' electricity, get subsidized for it because "jobs" (that no one gets), finally resulting in raised bills for the rest