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One of the most horrible things ever invented. But then, maybe I'm too old. Why do you need chrome when there's a stand-alone python program to build and flash

by M95D 1y ago

One of the most horrible things ever invented. But then, maybe I'm too old. Why do you need chrome when there's a stand-alone python program to build and flash esphome?

ciberado 1y ago
It allows using the browser as a very convenient and accessible programming platform for many types of applications, not only web-based. That's specially important for beginners, I think, as they can run (and create) all kind of projects just by opening a web page. But it is also very handy for more advanced users, as the wled project [1] shows. And yes, there are security implications. But that's true for any other platform and as long as the users are asked for the proper permissions, I'm good with it. [1] https://kno.wled.ge/ https://kno.wled.ge/
- account42 1y ago
  Python is also easy and accessible. In fact that's its whole thing. We should not poke holes into the browser sandbox to satisfy the needs of amateur programmers.
mijoharas 1y ago
I only use ESPHome with home assistant and the web usb device flashing is well integrated. I did look into the standalone version, but decided it was fewer hoops to jump through to just use chrome. The user experience _is_ good there, and I'd like it in my preferred browser.
mherkender 1y ago
It's nice to be able to flash something without having to give some random software access to your computer, or having to build three different versions of a device flasher for each major OS. It's boosted adoption of ESPHome devices.
- marcosdumay 1y ago
  Except that you are giving some random software access to your computer, and it's not even software you can decided when to install and update.
  - mherkender 1y ago
    I use Linux so I do have a great deal of control over the version of Chrome I occasionally use.
    - immibis 1y ago
      The software is downloaded from a web server.
      - mherkender 1y ago
        I'm not sure what you're trying to say. My point is that it's sandboxed in the browser.
        immibis 1y ago
        You gave that software access to your computer and you don't even control when it updates.
        mherkender 1y ago
        I get that you're trying to win the argument, but you're being opaque. Any ESP device I have isn't even connected to the Internet so I do control when it updates.
- immibis 1y ago
  But you just did give some random software access to your computer.
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by M95D 1y ago

One of the most horrible things ever invented. But then, maybe I'm too old. Why do you need chrome when there's a stand-alone python program to build and flash esphome?

ciberado 1y ago

It allows using the browser as a very convenient and accessible programming platform for many types of applications, not only web-based. That's specially important for beginners, I think, as they can run (and create) all kind of projects just by opening a web page. But it is also very handy for more advanced users, as the wled project [1] shows. And yes, there are security implications. But that's true for any other platform and as long as the users are asked for the proper permissions, I'm good with it. [1] https://kno.wled.ge/ https://kno.wled.ge/

account42 1y ago
Python is also easy and accessible. In fact that's its whole thing. We should not poke holes into the browser sandbox to satisfy the needs of amateur programmers.

mijoharas 1y ago

I only use ESPHome with home assistant and the web usb device flashing is well integrated. I did look into the standalone version, but decided it was fewer hoops to jump through to just use chrome. The user experience _is_ good there, and I'd like it in my preferred browser.

mherkender 1y ago

It's nice to be able to flash something without having to give some random software access to your computer, or having to build three different versions of a device flasher for each major OS. It's boosted adoption of ESPHome devices.

marcosdumay 1y ago
Except that you are giving some random software access to your computer, and it's not even software you can decided when to install and update.
- mherkender 1y ago
  I use Linux so I do have a great deal of control over the version of Chrome I occasionally use.
  - immibis 1y ago
    The software is downloaded from a web server.
    - mherkender 1y ago
      I'm not sure what you're trying to say. My point is that it's sandboxed in the browser.
      - immibis 1y ago
        You gave that software access to your computer and you don't even control when it updates.
        mherkender 1y ago
        I get that you're trying to win the argument, but you're being opaque. Any ESP device I have isn't even connected to the Internet so I do control when it updates.
immibis 1y ago
But you just did give some random software access to your computer.
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