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I have personally found Marc's takes refreshing and vital. HN, like many sites, has become more cynical and even self-loathing. There are so many in here who ha

I have personally found Marc's takes refreshing and vital. HN, like many sites, has become more cynical and even self-loathing. There are so many in here who hate tech and even progress and growth. Marc's descriptions in the link are validated even just by the comments here. It's incredible.

geegee3 1y ago
Thanks for posting what I had in mind.
ENGNR 1y ago
I’m so grateful that hacker news isn’t swayed too much politically - people in general are willing to consider any novel argument on its merits in search of deeper understanding. As opposed to say Reddit where if you don’t agree with the hivemind it’s instant downvotes. This article has aged well: https://paulgraham.com/say.html https://paulgraham.com/say.html
igor47 1y ago
Just curious -- which takes? That immigrants are destroying life for people from Wisconsin? That universities are anti progress and should pay a price? That the Trump administration is the only way to save progress and growth in America? Am I just misunderstanding what Marc is saying, and these are not his views at all?
- alxjrvs 1y ago
  I also wonder if it includes the part where mark paraphrases the 14 words. We're at the "White nationalists have some good points" stage of discourse.
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- justinclift 1y ago
  > That universities are anti progress Would it be that some are, and some aren't?
  - throw4847285 1y ago
    Would it be that the concept of anti-progress is incoherent, and simply a thought terminating cliche?
ddddang 1y ago
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rhelz 1y ago
Domo Aregato, Mr. Roboto.
narrator 1y ago
Marc decided to support Trump when the Biden admin told him that he shouldn't start AI companies because they were committed to an oligarchy of AI companies and they would classify math if they had to. Now the left is turning all their propaganda firepower on him.
korse 1y ago
>There are so many in here who hate tech and even progress and growth. I think you are confusing skeptics of currently fashionable development roadmaps for popular technology with luddites. As an example, I am a strong proponent of efforts to establish a multi-planetary society and at the same time believe that the future of humanity should have as many humans 'in the loop' as possible. This makes the technology underlying self-driving vehicles beneficial but the push to automate everyday human transport anathema. Other examples are collaborative robotics versus black-box manufacturing technology or global/system wide communications networks. Collaborative robotics allow for advanced manufacturing but can allow humans to retain their mastery of a craft and keep a hand in the process, enhancing rather than replacing. Communication networks, indispensable as they are, need not be a vehicle for exploiting weaknesses in the human psyche to hijack the human experience. Perhaps I speak only for myself but I think there are quite a few members of this forum who hold similar opinions despite having deep knowledge of the subject matter and appreciating the technology at the core of the 'cutting edge'.

geegee3 1y ago

Thanks for posting what I had in mind.

ENGNR 1y ago

I’m so grateful that hacker news isn’t swayed too much politically - people in general are willing to consider any novel argument on its merits in search of deeper understanding. As opposed to say Reddit where if you don’t agree with the hivemind it’s instant downvotes. This article has aged well: https://paulgraham.com/say.html https://paulgraham.com/say.html

igor47 1y ago

Just curious -- which takes? That immigrants are destroying life for people from Wisconsin? That universities are anti progress and should pay a price? That the Trump administration is the only way to save progress and growth in America? Am I just misunderstanding what Marc is saying, and these are not his views at all?

alxjrvs 1y ago
I also wonder if it includes the part where mark paraphrases the 14 words. We're at the "White nationalists have some good points" stage of discourse.
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justinclift 1y ago
> That universities are anti progress Would it be that some are, and some aren't?
- throw4847285 1y ago
  Would it be that the concept of anti-progress is incoherent, and simply a thought terminating cliche?

ddddang 1y ago

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rhelz 1y ago

Domo Aregato, Mr. Roboto.

narrator 1y ago

Marc decided to support Trump when the Biden admin told him that he shouldn't start AI companies because they were committed to an oligarchy of AI companies and they would classify math if they had to. Now the left is turning all their propaganda firepower on him.

korse 1y ago

>There are so many in here who hate tech and even progress and growth. I think you are confusing skeptics of currently fashionable development roadmaps for popular technology with luddites. As an example, I am a strong proponent of efforts to establish a multi-planetary society and at the same time believe that the future of humanity should have as many humans 'in the loop' as possible. This makes the technology underlying self-driving vehicles beneficial but the push to automate everyday human transport anathema. Other examples are collaborative robotics versus black-box manufacturing technology or global/system wide communications networks. Collaborative robotics allow for advanced manufacturing but can allow humans to retain their mastery of a craft and keep a hand in the process, enhancing rather than replacing. Communication networks, indispensable as they are, need not be a vehicle for exploiting weaknesses in the human psyche to hijack the human experience. Perhaps I speak only for myself but I think there are quite a few members of this forum who hold similar opinions despite having deep knowledge of the subject matter and appreciating the technology at the core of the 'cutting edge'.