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Optimism. And unfortunately based on the doom and gloom that the news and social media constantly shoves in our faces, we have a short supply of that.

thrance 1y ago
Doom and gloom that is somewhat substantiated by material reality. The world is getting warmer and nothing is done about it. Far right populism is getting more and more popular, with no end in sight. No way am I bringing kids in this environment.
- gtech1 1y ago
  Doesn't seem to stop "some* religious people to pop 5-6 kids
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- Demoder 1y ago
  I have a feeling that far right populism was worse in 1930s
  - thrance 1y ago
    Still, I'm only expliciting my reasons. I don't care about what my forefathers would have done in my situation.
  - WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
    I've found a lot of parallels between now and 1910s-1930. Thru genealogy I see how families and extended families lived together to afford living expenses. MultiFamily housing was common and jobs were within walking distance. The automobile dispersed jobs and families, taking all the above away. The needs we have now are no longer possible to fill.
  - IAmBroom 1y ago
    That's not as comforting as you imagined it to be.
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- dalyons 1y ago
  not nothing. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-a-warming-planet/46-billion-years-on-the-sun-is-having-a-moment https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-a-warming-planet/46... "people are now putting up a gigawatt’s worth of solar panels, the rough equivalent of the power generated by one coal-fired plant, every fifteen hours." will things still get somewhat bad, certainly yeah. but there's a very real chance we're on track to a mostly carbon free future in a ~ decade. Im pessimistic about a lot of things but there is a lot to be optimistic about here.
  - thrance 1y ago
    Putting up solar panels is great, but what is often missing from these optimistic pieces is the fact that globally, fossil fuel usage is still going up. Even in the west: coal, oil and gas plants aren't decommissioned as more solar farms go up (and economically, why would they?). And let's not get into transportation, where I don't see muany realistic plans to replace the current fleet of vehicles by electric ones. So, all of this to say, I do not believe we'll live in a carbon-free world in a decade. At best, I can imagine something like that in 2060, and even then... My point is that we're already in a +3°C world when the "absolute limit" was set to +2°C 10 years ago. And it's not slowing down. We're currently on the worst trajectory envisioned by previous IPCC reports.
sundaeofshock 1y ago
What about the doom and gloom that people are living? Low wages, expensive housing, unstable employment, and crappy medical care do not fill people with optimism.
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thrance 1y ago

Doom and gloom that is somewhat substantiated by material reality. The world is getting warmer and nothing is done about it. Far right populism is getting more and more popular, with no end in sight. No way am I bringing kids in this environment.

gtech1 1y ago
Doesn't seem to stop "some* religious people to pop 5-6 kids
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Demoder 1y ago
I have a feeling that far right populism was worse in 1930s
- thrance 1y ago
  Still, I'm only expliciting my reasons. I don't care about what my forefathers would have done in my situation.
- WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
  I've found a lot of parallels between now and 1910s-1930. Thru genealogy I see how families and extended families lived together to afford living expenses. MultiFamily housing was common and jobs were within walking distance. The automobile dispersed jobs and families, taking all the above away. The needs we have now are no longer possible to fill.
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  That's not as comforting as you imagined it to be.
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dalyons 1y ago
not nothing. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-a-warming-planet/46-billion-years-on-the-sun-is-having-a-moment https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-a-warming-planet/46... "people are now putting up a gigawatt’s worth of solar panels, the rough equivalent of the power generated by one coal-fired plant, every fifteen hours." will things still get somewhat bad, certainly yeah. but there's a very real chance we're on track to a mostly carbon free future in a ~ decade. Im pessimistic about a lot of things but there is a lot to be optimistic about here.
- thrance 1y ago
  Putting up solar panels is great, but what is often missing from these optimistic pieces is the fact that globally, fossil fuel usage is still going up. Even in the west: coal, oil and gas plants aren't decommissioned as more solar farms go up (and economically, why would they?). And let's not get into transportation, where I don't see muany realistic plans to replace the current fleet of vehicles by electric ones. So, all of this to say, I do not believe we'll live in a carbon-free world in a decade. At best, I can imagine something like that in 2060, and even then... My point is that we're already in a +3°C world when the "absolute limit" was set to +2°C 10 years ago. And it's not slowing down. We're currently on the worst trajectory envisioned by previous IPCC reports.

sundaeofshock 1y ago

What about the doom and gloom that people are living? Low wages, expensive housing, unstable employment, and crappy medical care do not fill people with optimism.

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