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by Nesco 1y ago

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ryandrake 1y ago
Yea we are talking about politicians who proudly tweet about ruining people’s lives and tearing apart families, and their voting base cheering this on. There is no wording that you can use to turn this into a negative for these irredeemable people.
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- timr 1y ago
  > we are talking about politicians who proudly tweet about ruining people’s lives and tearing apart families, and their voting base cheering this on. There is no wording that you can use to turn this into a negative for these irredeemable people. I am so tired of this kind of inflammatory rhetoric. Can we please remember that the people who are being deported did, in fact, break the law? While I have empathy for people who want nothing more than to be productive citizens in the USA, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you did it the wrong way, you're subject to deportation. That's just how it goes. More than anything, I'm profoundly embarrassed that our politicians have allowed the situation to get this bad. While I don't support all of the methods the current administration is using, do not support using immigration for weaponizing speech, and certainly wish we had a saner system of immigration, characterizing "enforcing our immigration laws" as some kind of "irredeemable" act is just...beyond the pale. It is not irredeemable to enforce laws. I have friends who have been waiting for years to get a green card, in large part because of the consequences of years of our de facto open border situation, which have jammed the courts with "refugees" who knew that it was easier to enter the country and claim asylum than wait in line for legal immigration channels. Edit: I have been respectful and polite in this comment, but it has now been flagged down twice (EDIT: three times). Those of you who abuse the flagging system to censor speech you do not like should be ashamed of yourselves.
  - lazide 1y ago
    What crimes did Abrego Garcia commit again? [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno] His is not the only case, but is certainly a very obvious one - and that is what people are reacting too. Along with the rhetoric from the current administration that makes it plainly obvious that actual illegal behavior is neither required, not even necessarily desired, to deport someone. Like Trump’s threats against Rosie O’Donnell for what should be straightforward protected political speech. [https://time.com/7301997/trump-threat-us-citizenship-revoke-rosie-odonnell-epstein/ https://time.com/7301997/trump-threat-us-citizenship-revoke-...] The very public behavior and words of the current administration is extremely unhinged on this topic, and appears to have nothing to do with actual purposes you’re claiming it does.
    - timr 1y ago
      I made it very clear that I don't support everything our administration is doing.
      - lazide 1y ago
        You might want to re-read your comment again, because you definitely explicitly said that people being deported were being deported because they did something illegal. Full Stop. I provided two high profile and clear examples where that is either 1) unlikely, or 2) definitely not the case, and actually absurd in context, because she is a born US citizen, and the threats the US President is leveling at her are clearly not even close to legal. Which you continue to ignore. And which even appear to be headline examples the administration is not only creating, but persisting in making very public. In that context, how can anyone reasonably assume that the other, less high profile, cases are being done ‘correctly’?
      - drcongo 1y ago
        > Can we please remember that the people who are being deported did, in fact, break the law?
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by Nesco 1y ago

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Yea we are talking about politicians who proudly tweet about ruining people’s lives and tearing apart families, and their voting base cheering this on. There is no wording that you can use to turn this into a negative for these irredeemable people.

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timr 1y ago
> we are talking about politicians who proudly tweet about ruining people’s lives and tearing apart families, and their voting base cheering this on. There is no wording that you can use to turn this into a negative for these irredeemable people. I am so tired of this kind of inflammatory rhetoric. Can we please remember that the people who are being deported did, in fact, break the law? While I have empathy for people who want nothing more than to be productive citizens in the USA, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. If you did it the wrong way, you're subject to deportation. That's just how it goes. More than anything, I'm profoundly embarrassed that our politicians have allowed the situation to get this bad. While I don't support all of the methods the current administration is using, do not support using immigration for weaponizing speech, and certainly wish we had a saner system of immigration, characterizing "enforcing our immigration laws" as some kind of "irredeemable" act is just...beyond the pale. It is not irredeemable to enforce laws. I have friends who have been waiting for years to get a green card, in large part because of the consequences of years of our de facto open border situation, which have jammed the courts with "refugees" who knew that it was easier to enter the country and claim asylum than wait in line for legal immigration channels. Edit: I have been respectful and polite in this comment, but it has now been flagged down twice (EDIT: three times). Those of you who abuse the flagging system to censor speech you do not like should be ashamed of yourselves.
- lazide 1y ago
  What crimes did Abrego Garcia commit again? [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno] His is not the only case, but is certainly a very obvious one - and that is what people are reacting too. Along with the rhetoric from the current administration that makes it plainly obvious that actual illegal behavior is neither required, not even necessarily desired, to deport someone. Like Trump’s threats against Rosie O’Donnell for what should be straightforward protected political speech. [https://time.com/7301997/trump-threat-us-citizenship-revoke-rosie-odonnell-epstein/ https://time.com/7301997/trump-threat-us-citizenship-revoke-...] The very public behavior and words of the current administration is extremely unhinged on this topic, and appears to have nothing to do with actual purposes you’re claiming it does.
  - timr 1y ago
    I made it very clear that I don't support everything our administration is doing.
    - lazide 1y ago
      You might want to re-read your comment again, because you definitely explicitly said that people being deported were being deported because they did something illegal. Full Stop. I provided two high profile and clear examples where that is either 1) unlikely, or 2) definitely not the case, and actually absurd in context, because she is a born US citizen, and the threats the US President is leveling at her are clearly not even close to legal. Which you continue to ignore. And which even appear to be headline examples the administration is not only creating, but persisting in making very public. In that context, how can anyone reasonably assume that the other, less high profile, cases are being done ‘correctly’?
    - drcongo 1y ago
      > Can we please remember that the people who are being deported did, in fact, break the law?
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