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I expect a liquor store to check ID, why not a porn store?

__loam 1y ago
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trhway 1y ago
Interesting, why did you give up your right to buy liquor anonymously? And you also seem to be willing to give up your right to anonymous porn. Why?
- probably_wrong 1y ago
  > why did you give up your right to buy liquor anonymously? That's not entirely true - once you look old enough most places will stop asking for ID. As for why: because there is (or at least, was) no other system to identify whether someone is underage and, by extension, more likely to underestimate the consequences of their actions, make worse choices under the effect of alcohol, and suffer its effects more strongly. Same reason why the legal system makes a difference between minors and adults.
- jkaplowitz 1y ago
  Most of us alive in the US today never had a right to buy liquor anonymously, unless you’re making a natural rights argument independent of contrary constitutional or statutory law. The 21st Amendment gives lots of authority to states to regulate or prohibit alcohol sales, including the right to require ID. With that said, even now, it’s normal that liquor stores only look at IDs without transmitting or recording the information anywhere (in the absence of fraud concerns), so if the purchase itself is made with cash, it has most (not quite all) of the same data privacy and security consequences as a true anonymous purchase. This is very different from the online porn age verification proposals.
Ylpertnodi 1y ago
Do booze shops in the US store peoples id's after they've flashed them (pun intended)?
- ndriscoll 1y ago
  In some states stores are required to scan IDs. I'd be surprised if e.g. Kroger weren't storing that information. All of these porn laws I've read at least ban any storage. As far as I know digital ID standards are also at least designed to allow only sharing "over18" without other identifying information.
  - Eavolution 1y ago
    And if I provide it how do they prove they aren't storing it other than their word, which is untrustable for many reasons?
    - moron4hire 1y ago
      You don't actually provide it to the porn site. Everything goes through a 3rd party escrow. The site you're trying to access only gets a message from the trusted ID partner that you are indeed the age you say you are. Now, I still hate the idea that any corporation is storing my ID, but it's not every Tom Dicken' Harry porn site you might be viewing.
  - sitkack 1y ago
    Kroger is most definitely storing this information. I rarely shop any Kroger store, but when they started doing IDs scans, I shop there less and no longer buy anything that requires my ID.
    - antonymoose 1y ago
      Similarly, Wal-Mart seems to know who I am based on my card transactions. When I swipe my card they ask if I would like a paper or an SMS receipt. I’m still not sure how they got that number association.
- reliabilityguy 1y ago
  It seems to me that age verification via ID submission online and the subsequent storage of IDs are separate issues.

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Interesting, why did you give up your right to buy liquor anonymously? And you also seem to be willing to give up your right to anonymous porn. Why?

probably_wrong 1y ago
> why did you give up your right to buy liquor anonymously? That's not entirely true - once you look old enough most places will stop asking for ID. As for why: because there is (or at least, was) no other system to identify whether someone is underage and, by extension, more likely to underestimate the consequences of their actions, make worse choices under the effect of alcohol, and suffer its effects more strongly. Same reason why the legal system makes a difference between minors and adults.
jkaplowitz 1y ago
Most of us alive in the US today never had a right to buy liquor anonymously, unless you’re making a natural rights argument independent of contrary constitutional or statutory law. The 21st Amendment gives lots of authority to states to regulate or prohibit alcohol sales, including the right to require ID. With that said, even now, it’s normal that liquor stores only look at IDs without transmitting or recording the information anywhere (in the absence of fraud concerns), so if the purchase itself is made with cash, it has most (not quite all) of the same data privacy and security consequences as a true anonymous purchase. This is very different from the online porn age verification proposals.

Ylpertnodi 1y ago

Do booze shops in the US store peoples id's after they've flashed them (pun intended)?

ndriscoll 1y ago
In some states stores are required to scan IDs. I'd be surprised if e.g. Kroger weren't storing that information. All of these porn laws I've read at least ban any storage. As far as I know digital ID standards are also at least designed to allow only sharing "over18" without other identifying information.
- Eavolution 1y ago
  And if I provide it how do they prove they aren't storing it other than their word, which is untrustable for many reasons?
  - moron4hire 1y ago
    You don't actually provide it to the porn site. Everything goes through a 3rd party escrow. The site you're trying to access only gets a message from the trusted ID partner that you are indeed the age you say you are. Now, I still hate the idea that any corporation is storing my ID, but it's not every Tom Dicken' Harry porn site you might be viewing.
- sitkack 1y ago
  Kroger is most definitely storing this information. I rarely shop any Kroger store, but when they started doing IDs scans, I shop there less and no longer buy anything that requires my ID.
  - antonymoose 1y ago
    Similarly, Wal-Mart seems to know who I am based on my card transactions. When I swipe my card they ask if I would like a paper or an SMS receipt. I’m still not sure how they got that number association.
reliabilityguy 1y ago
It seems to me that age verification via ID submission online and the subsequent storage of IDs are separate issues.