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How is Tesla an example of your point? It’s the biggest EV manufacturer owned by one of the world’s richest men. Perhaps the problem here isn’t that smaller br
by hnlmorg 1y ago
How is Tesla an example of your point? It’s the biggest EV manufacturer owned by one of the world’s richest men.
Perhaps the problem here isn’t that smaller brands don’t exist, it’s that if we give examples of smaller brands then you’ll argue
“Never heard of them. Thus proof that the EU is holding them back”
And if we mention household names then you’d argue
“Those aren’t small companies”
You’ve basically crafted an impossible to satisfy condition. A question that would be equally impossible for you to satisfy with US firms as it is for EU firms.
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By the way, there’s quite a few car manufacturers that are small listed here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers_of_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufactu...
A few of them are relatively big names despite their small company size, for example Noble Automotive.
- dzonga 1y agoTesla has no moat. but people don't wanna look at things objectively. BYD makes better batteries than Tesla. the EU brands provide a better luxury than Tesla. the US / Japan brands provide a better car in terms of quality than Tesla.
- disgruntledphd2 1y agoBYD Q4 sales (only NEV): https://tridenstechnology.com/byd-sales-statistics/ https://tridenstechnology.com/byd-sales-statistics/ approx 600k. Tesla Q4 sales: https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-fourth-quarter-2024-production-deliveries-and-deployments https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-fourth-quarter-2024... approx 500k. So Tesla are not the biggest anymore (which honestly surprised me).
- rebolek 1y agoIt doesn't surprise me at all. BYD invests heavily into R&D. I don't know how much Tesla invests into R&D but if their latest product is an ugly Homercar for incels, then they should probably think a bit about their strategy.
- Rover222 1y agoThe incel car as you call it is extremely ambitious from an R&D perspective. 48v architecture, steer by wire, etc. Anyway, I’m not celibate. It’s just an excellent vehicle, if you don’t care about hivemind strangers glaring at you.
- scarface_74 1y agoTesla is not one of the largest EV manufacturers and sales are rapidly declining.
- hnlmorg 1y agoName a bigger EV manufacturer in America.
- immibis 1y agoFord
- hnlmorg 1y agoNope. Ford are a bigger automotive manufacturer but a smaller manufacturer of EVs than Tesla.
- scarface_74 1y agoSo would you also be satisfied if I argued that Ford was a larger manufacturer of pick up trucks to make Ford look better? Tesla is failing both domestically and internationally with declining sales. Arguing that Tesla is successful with falling sales is like arguing that RIM was successful in 2009 when the writing was on the wall.
- scarface_74 1y agoIt’s not just America. We are talking about the world. Tesla is trying to compete globally and sales are declining globally.
- hnlmorg 1y agoYeah sales are declining, but they’re still the second biggest EV globally. Saying “Tesla aren’t one of the biggest EV manufacturer” is clearly rubbish.