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Since when is Airbus a small company and not part of the large state supported corp monopoly gang? Same with SAP, Roche and Bayer. These are all masive corporat
by FirmwareBurner 1y ago
Since when is Airbus a small company and not part of the large state supported corp monopoly gang? Same with SAP, Roche and Bayer. These are all masive corporations that swallowed entire sectors. Same with Spotify having used its monopoly status to screw over smaller artists. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read such comments.
Let me ask you guys something else, if EU hates large monopolist companies so much as you claim, then why are all its car companies monopolistic mega conglomerates that rule the world like Volkswagen, Stellantis, Daimler Benz, BMW, and Renault? Where's EU's equivalent of Tesla if they supposedly hate all these big companies?
I'll tell you why: Just like the US, the capital controlled EU also supports its domestic monopolies and only bitches about foreign monopolies in sectors they don't control and threaten their economic hegemony. That's the cold hard truth, everything else is just political hot air and virtue signaling for brownie points, and I'm pissed people are not only buying it but also parroting it when the goal to monopolize business sectors is as strong in EU corporations as it is in US and Chinese ones.
Europe is just more stricter now with
controlling large (mostly foreign) corporations since its own economy lost a lot of ground to the US and Chinese ones (it has now half the real GDP it had 2 decades ago), and since it can't create new large companies, all it can do now is protecting what it has left from foreign companies taking over their turf. The upshot being that a lot of those rules are congruent with the consumer protections which also end up globally favoring consumers abroad.
- pjmlp 1y agoEasy, on the car companies that already exist with much better build quality. We don't need cars from fascists.
- jonnybgood 1y ago> We don't need cars from fascists. To be fair, that’s not what they said. I believe they’re asking where are the car companies of Tesla’s size and market position.
- disgruntledphd2 1y ago> Tesla’s size and market position. Like, Tesla are very small (in terms of cars sold) but very large in terms of valuation. Seems like a once-off, not something that would be replicable (anywhere).
- Hikikomori 1y agoOld size or new size?
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago>We don't need cars from fascists. Really? Because look up on the history of VW, BMW, Porsche, Fiat, etc and their founding families, some of who still own a large part of the shares of those companies today. Most of them worked with fascists no problem, some by force of the era some by opportunity but none of them opposed them. You see this is the typical European hypocrisy that I dislike. Pointing fingers that Elon is somehow a fascist cause he raised his arm once, but Porsche or BMW who used slave labor from work camps is somehow not fascist now because ... reasons I guess. Explain me that with logic and reason, and not with the "Elon is a fascist because reddit told me he is".
- pjmlp 1y agoYes, everyone played a role in WW 2, that is why we try to learn from history, instead of supporting those eager to repeating it.
- immibis 1y agoI don't think there is currently any country that was involved in WW2 where repeating WW2 is not mainstream politics.
- pjmlp 1y agoOne more reason not to sponsor companies tied to people pushing such agenda.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoYou're ignoring my point completely and moving the discussion elsewhere. If you're claiming to be "fighting" Tesla just for Elon being labeled "fascist" by smooth brain Redditors, why aren't you also fighting VW, Porsche, Fiat, for their owners also being actually documented fascists?
- saubeidl 1y agoThe fact that Elon openly supports and speaks at events of a German party that has been officially labeled far right extremist by the domestic intelligence agency is a stronger signal than even the Hitlerite hand gestures.
- hnlmorg 1y agoHow is Tesla an example of your point? It’s the biggest EV manufacturer owned by one of the world’s richest men. Perhaps the problem here isn’t that smaller brands don’t exist, it’s that if we give examples of smaller brands then you’ll argue “Never heard of them. Thus proof that the EU is holding them back” And if we mention household names then you’d argue “Those aren’t small companies” You’ve basically crafted an impossible to satisfy condition. A question that would be equally impossible for you to satisfy with US firms as it is for EU firms. ——— By the way, there’s quite a few car manufacturers that are small listed here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers_of_Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufactu... A few of them are relatively big names despite their small company size, for example Noble Automotive.
- dzonga 1y agoTesla has no moat. but people don't wanna look at things objectively. BYD makes better batteries than Tesla. the EU brands provide a better luxury than Tesla. the US / Japan brands provide a better car in terms of quality than Tesla.
- disgruntledphd2 1y agoBYD Q4 sales (only NEV): https://tridenstechnology.com/byd-sales-statistics/ https://tridenstechnology.com/byd-sales-statistics/ approx 600k. Tesla Q4 sales: https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-fourth-quarter-2024-production-deliveries-and-deployments https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-fourth-quarter-2024... approx 500k. So Tesla are not the biggest anymore (which honestly surprised me).
- FireBeyond 1y ago> Let me ask you guys something else, if EU hates large monopolist companies so much as you claim, then why are all its car companies monopolistic mega conglomerates that rule the world like Volkswagen, Stellantis, Daimler Benz, BMW, and Renault? Where's EU's equivalent of Tesla if they supposedly hate all these big companies? LOL, what? Tesla has a bigger market cap than those companies COMBINED. And more. How is it a "medium" player? I don't agree with that market cap, to be clear. It seems that Tesla is the Schrodinger's automotive manufacturer: snappy young upstart when that's convenient, world's biggest/strongest/brightest when that narrative is convenient.
- immibis 1y agoWho cares about market cap? Monopoly is about the share of cars you make - Tesla is near zero.
- ClumsyPilot 1y ago> why are all its car companies monopolistic mega conglomerates that rule the world like Volkswagen, Stellantis, Daimler Benz, BMW, and Renault? You just named 5 companies, that’s competition. US has 1/2 companies controlling 90% market share in several markets. That’s monopoly.