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great idea. drive the property prices up, drive the wages down. that will totally help* the TFR :^) * please disregard the data that shows that it doesn't help

great idea. drive the property prices up, drive the wages down. that will totally help* the TFR :^) * please disregard the data that shows that it doesn't help at all.

CalRobert 1y ago
Immigrants are able to build homes, thereby helping make property more affordable, if they're not stopped by a bunch of massively hypocritical "liberal" NIMBYs making it illegal to do so.
- jalapeno_a 1y ago
  European peoples are capable of building their own houses and cooking their own food.
  - CalRobert 1y ago
    Apparently not considering the current housing shortage. Nevermind the fact that it was pulling teeth to get an Irish builder to show up.
    - disgruntledphd2 1y ago
      > Nevermind the fact that it was pulling teeth to get an Irish builder to show up. Depends on the builder, but like many, many constrained services in Ireland you'll do better if you (or someone you know) have a pre-existing relationship with them. Maybe it's a place thing also? I do know that we've never had any issues getting plumbers/electricians/roofers/general handypeople to show up, but we're in Dublin.
      - CalRobert 1y ago
        In Offaly I had to nag the hell out of builders to get them to show up, with reminder calls the day before and day of. The Latvians on the other hand arrived on time and got the job done.
        disgruntledphd2 1y ago
        > In Offaly I had to nag the hell out of builders to get them to show up, with reminder calls the day before and day of. The Latvians on the other hand arrived on time and got the job done. Yeah fair enough that really sucks. I don't disagree that the Latvians were better, but note that there's a selection bias here. The good and responsive Irish builders are probably much more booked up, so you may end up dealing with the flaky ones while the Latvians may have less of an orderbook to work through. Additionally Ireland (all the non-Dublin parts, at least) lost many, many building professionals after the bust so there may just not be enough people there.
DoctorOW 1y ago
I find it hard to believe that the private equity groups which each own dozens of properties in my region is run by immigrants for less than the median wage. That said, were you to share any data, I'd be more than happy to regard it.
- 123yawaworht456 1y ago
  who do they sell/rent those properties to?
  - DoctorOW 1y ago
    A growing number remain empty, hundreds of thousands of homes are unoccupied in the United States, especially rentals.[1] It turns out multiple billion dollar corporations can afford to keep homes empty in order to raise the price of their assets. Also, just think about what you're saying. Do you really think someone who makes less than you do, without any credit history, is purchasing a home that's out of your price range? If making less money would help you afford a home, I'd be happy to take it off your hands. :) [1]: https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDP5Y2023.DP04?t=Housing+Units:Occupancy+Characteristics&g=010XX00US$0400000 https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDP5Y2023.DP04?t=Housing+Uni...
    - 123yawaworht456 1y ago
      >It turns out multiple billion dollar corporations can afford to keep homes empty in order to raise the price of their assets. would they be doing that if they didn't have a guarantee that importation of millions of people will continue? >Do you really think someone who makes less than you do, without any credit history, is purchasing a home that's out of your price range? there are millions of Chinese and Indians who can buy those homes with cash.
      - DoctorOW 1y ago
        So someone is in China or India doing incredibly well financially and would like to use this to overpay for a house and work more hours for less money? And this is true for millions of people? And there's data that proves this???

great idea. drive the property prices up, drive the wages down. that will totally help* the TFR :^) * please disregard the data that shows that it doesn't help at all.

CalRobert 1y ago

Immigrants are able to build homes, thereby helping make property more affordable, if they're not stopped by a bunch of massively hypocritical "liberal" NIMBYs making it illegal to do so.

jalapeno_a 1y ago
European peoples are capable of building their own houses and cooking their own food.
- CalRobert 1y ago
  Apparently not considering the current housing shortage. Nevermind the fact that it was pulling teeth to get an Irish builder to show up.
  - disgruntledphd2 1y ago
    > Nevermind the fact that it was pulling teeth to get an Irish builder to show up. Depends on the builder, but like many, many constrained services in Ireland you'll do better if you (or someone you know) have a pre-existing relationship with them. Maybe it's a place thing also? I do know that we've never had any issues getting plumbers/electricians/roofers/general handypeople to show up, but we're in Dublin.
    - CalRobert 1y ago
      In Offaly I had to nag the hell out of builders to get them to show up, with reminder calls the day before and day of. The Latvians on the other hand arrived on time and got the job done.
      - disgruntledphd2 1y ago
        > In Offaly I had to nag the hell out of builders to get them to show up, with reminder calls the day before and day of. The Latvians on the other hand arrived on time and got the job done. Yeah fair enough that really sucks. I don't disagree that the Latvians were better, but note that there's a selection bias here. The good and responsive Irish builders are probably much more booked up, so you may end up dealing with the flaky ones while the Latvians may have less of an orderbook to work through. Additionally Ireland (all the non-Dublin parts, at least) lost many, many building professionals after the bust so there may just not be enough people there.

DoctorOW 1y ago

I find it hard to believe that the private equity groups which each own dozens of properties in my region is run by immigrants for less than the median wage. That said, were you to share any data, I'd be more than happy to regard it.

123yawaworht456 1y ago
who do they sell/rent those properties to?
- DoctorOW 1y ago
  A growing number remain empty, hundreds of thousands of homes are unoccupied in the United States, especially rentals.[1] It turns out multiple billion dollar corporations can afford to keep homes empty in order to raise the price of their assets. Also, just think about what you're saying. Do you really think someone who makes less than you do, without any credit history, is purchasing a home that's out of your price range? If making less money would help you afford a home, I'd be happy to take it off your hands. :) [1]: https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDP5Y2023.DP04?t=Housing+Units:Occupancy+Characteristics&g=010XX00US$0400000 https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDP5Y2023.DP04?t=Housing+Uni...
  - 123yawaworht456 1y ago
    >It turns out multiple billion dollar corporations can afford to keep homes empty in order to raise the price of their assets. would they be doing that if they didn't have a guarantee that importation of millions of people will continue? >Do you really think someone who makes less than you do, without any credit history, is purchasing a home that's out of your price range? there are millions of Chinese and Indians who can buy those homes with cash.
    - DoctorOW 1y ago
      So someone is in China or India doing incredibly well financially and would like to use this to overpay for a house and work more hours for less money? And this is true for millions of people? And there's data that proves this???