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> I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of people that stuck to it. I thought more people would see a guy doing ... that salute, or things like the antisemitis

by davidw 1y ago

> I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of people that stuck to it. I thought more people would see a guy doing ... that salute, or things like the antisemitism in Grok in the past few days and say "no", but a huge number of people seem to be able to rationalize things away. I'm with Wil Wheaton https://bsky.app/profile/wilwheaton.net/post/3ltkjyzjb4k2p https://bsky.app/profile/wilwheaton.net/post/3ltkjyzjb4k2p

petesergeant 1y ago
I am seriously restricting my inbound and outbound reach by boycotting X. It's a hit I can afford to take, but for some people they'd be making a very foolish choice when that's where their audience and the content they want to read is.
- davidw 1y ago
  NPR found that they really didn't lose much: https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3ltkgw5tavs2c https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3l... But sometimes you have to make some sacrifices in life over your principles. And the more people move, the easier it is for everyone else.
  - petesergeant 1y ago
    NPR's audience is very different from mine (AI researchers and thinkers) though. Some communities seem to have managed the move wholesale: all the cartoonists I like switched, for example.
    - guappa 1y ago
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      - MSFT_Edging 1y ago
        The "thinker" is one of the main audiences of twitter now. The Statue PFP, incorrect assumptions about the path, and extreme dunning kruger.
- Applejinx 1y ago
  By the time I left I was deleting multiple bot followers a day. You cannot take X's claims at face value, everything about the platform is aggressively dishonest. NPR's experience is instructive: https://niemanreports.org/npr-twitter-musk/ https://niemanreports.org/npr-twitter-musk/ I don't think it's realistic to pretend that abandoning X is seriously restricting anyone. If anything, sticking with it is brand endangerment and by leaving it you're making the smart move, with or without animus.
- ghaff 1y ago
  Are you really? I found my personal network got pretty much shredded. At this point it doesn’t matter much if I used X or didn’t use it.
watwut 1y ago
They liked the gesture. The rationalization is just public pretending they would theoretically mind.
giingyui 1y ago
I profoundly dislike the politics of most “leaders” for lack of a better word in the world of tech, but here I am typing these words in an iPhone. Refusing to use something because of who created it or who benefits from it is a bit too much I think, to the point of being unworkable depending on the case. In other words as much as I’d like to vote with my wallet that is not always practical. And that extends to everything, not only tech.
- michaelmrose 1y ago
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        mapt 1y ago
        He's not a member of the Nazi Party. The Nazi party hasn't existed in a long time. At this point in time, "literal Nazi" cannot mean, contextually, direct subservience to Adolph Hitler. He's dead. He's a member of a loose collection of white nationalist and "neo-Nazi" belief circles, and has promoted the modern counterpart to the Nazi ideology, the AFD, "urging them to move beyond guilt about their past". Notably, he's not as fully committed to nativism or racial purity as some of his counterparts; He unilaterally caused a bit of a split in the GOP due to his need to rely on H1B labor, and we have hours-long recordings of his discussions & arguments with other people in this ideological cluster on Twitter Live.
irusensei 1y ago
> I thought more people would see a guy doing ... that salute I don't think that gesture was a nazi salute and was grossly taken out of context by everyone who hates the guy. I don't like Elon Musk either but stressing over something like that exacerbates the appearance that the accuser has a biased opinion. It also made the media who covered this for weeks desperate and very shallow.
- jhp123 1y ago
  I watched the video with surrounding context and it looked like a Nazi salute. Did he ever deny it was a Nazi salute?
  - engineer_22 1y ago
    yes
  - davidw 1y ago
    It's not just the salute, either, which was pretty clearly a Nazi salute that he did twice. It was support for the white Afrikaaners and the AfD in Germany and ripping the aid away from children in Africa, killing them, and on and on.
isolli 1y ago
Bluesky is not better (see for instance [0]). I think no one has cracked how to properly run a microblogging website. [0] https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/did-i-publish-the-private-medical https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/did-i-publish-the-private...
- davidw 1y ago
  Blue Sky has a lot of left leaning folks, but the ownership isn't putting their thumb on the scales for that; it occurred naturally. And I find that there are some thoughtful conservatives who do ok there. I follow some of them.

by davidw 1y ago

petesergeant 1y ago

I am seriously restricting my inbound and outbound reach by boycotting X. It's a hit I can afford to take, but for some people they'd be making a very foolish choice when that's where their audience and the content they want to read is.

davidw 1y ago
NPR found that they really didn't lose much: https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3ltkgw5tavs2c https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3l... But sometimes you have to make some sacrifices in life over your principles. And the more people move, the easier it is for everyone else.
- petesergeant 1y ago
  NPR's audience is very different from mine (AI researchers and thinkers) though. Some communities seem to have managed the move wholesale: all the cartoonists I like switched, for example.
  - guappa 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - MSFT_Edging 1y ago
      The "thinker" is one of the main audiences of twitter now. The Statue PFP, incorrect assumptions about the path, and extreme dunning kruger.
Applejinx 1y ago
By the time I left I was deleting multiple bot followers a day. You cannot take X's claims at face value, everything about the platform is aggressively dishonest. NPR's experience is instructive: https://niemanreports.org/npr-twitter-musk/ https://niemanreports.org/npr-twitter-musk/ I don't think it's realistic to pretend that abandoning X is seriously restricting anyone. If anything, sticking with it is brand endangerment and by leaving it you're making the smart move, with or without animus.
ghaff 1y ago
Are you really? I found my personal network got pretty much shredded. At this point it doesn’t matter much if I used X or didn’t use it.

watwut 1y ago

They liked the gesture. The rationalization is just public pretending they would theoretically mind.

giingyui 1y ago

I profoundly dislike the politics of most “leaders” for lack of a better word in the world of tech, but here I am typing these words in an iPhone. Refusing to use something because of who created it or who benefits from it is a bit too much I think, to the point of being unworkable depending on the case. In other words as much as I’d like to vote with my wallet that is not always practical. And that extends to everything, not only tech.

michaelmrose 1y ago
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- AStonesThrow 1y ago
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- ChocolateGod 1y ago
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  - CursedSilicon 1y ago
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    - ChocolateGod 1y ago
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      - mapt 1y ago
        He's not a member of the Nazi Party. The Nazi party hasn't existed in a long time. At this point in time, "literal Nazi" cannot mean, contextually, direct subservience to Adolph Hitler. He's dead. He's a member of a loose collection of white nationalist and "neo-Nazi" belief circles, and has promoted the modern counterpart to the Nazi ideology, the AFD, "urging them to move beyond guilt about their past". Notably, he's not as fully committed to nativism or racial purity as some of his counterparts; He unilaterally caused a bit of a split in the GOP due to his need to rely on H1B labor, and we have hours-long recordings of his discussions & arguments with other people in this ideological cluster on Twitter Live.

irusensei 1y ago

> I thought more people would see a guy doing ... that salute I don't think that gesture was a nazi salute and was grossly taken out of context by everyone who hates the guy. I don't like Elon Musk either but stressing over something like that exacerbates the appearance that the accuser has a biased opinion. It also made the media who covered this for weeks desperate and very shallow.

jhp123 1y ago
I watched the video with surrounding context and it looked like a Nazi salute. Did he ever deny it was a Nazi salute?
- engineer_22 1y ago
  yes
- davidw 1y ago
  It's not just the salute, either, which was pretty clearly a Nazi salute that he did twice. It was support for the white Afrikaaners and the AfD in Germany and ripping the aid away from children in Africa, killing them, and on and on.

isolli 1y ago

Bluesky is not better (see for instance [0]). I think no one has cracked how to properly run a microblogging website. [0] https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/did-i-publish-the-private-medical https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/did-i-publish-the-private...

davidw 1y ago
Blue Sky has a lot of left leaning folks, but the ownership isn't putting their thumb on the scales for that; it occurred naturally. And I find that there are some thoughtful conservatives who do ok there. I follow some of them.