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The first half of that already happened with the OK gesture: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49837898 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49837898. Though

The first half of that already happened with the OK gesture: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49837898 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49837898. Though it would be fun to see what happens if an LLM if used to ban anything that tends to generate heated exchanges. It would presumably learn to ban racial terms, politics and politicians and words like "immigrant" (i.e. basically the list in this repo), but what else could it be persuaded to ban? Vim and Emacs? SystemD? Anything involving cyclists? Parenting advice?

immibis 1y ago
People weren't using the OK gesture innocently. After 4chan trolls decided to start pretending it was a white supremacist symbol, actual white supremacists started using it as a symbol.
- coldtea 1y ago
  All 10 of them? What about the other 7-8 billion people still using it normally?
  - thephyber 1y ago
    Some were using it in the traditional unironic (and IMHO cringe) way, similar to anyone who used the phrase “Let’s go, Brandon!” Before that NASCAR race when MAGAs adopted it as ironic + coded vice signaling. Quit being overly pedantic. We all knew there was an unironic purpose for the gesture before it became ironic.
    - coldtea 1y ago
      I mean, advice from a person who considers the traditional unironic use of OK as "cringe"... Whatever dude
      - thephyber 1y ago
        I haven’t used the “ok” gesture unironically since I watched Beverly Hills Cop (1984).
  - immibis 1y ago
    I promise you the world contains more than 10 white supremacists and less than 7,000,000,000 non-white-supremacists who regularly use the OK sign.
- PunchyHamster 1y ago
  then congratulations on making white supremacists define your langyage
  - immibis 1y ago
    Do you still use swastikas as symbols of peace and love because you don't want white supremacists to define your language? I strongly doubt you do that. Whether you like it or not, the Nazis defined what the swastika means now.
    - anton-c 1y ago
      It's still seen in the countries that used it that way and is seen as benign. It can be easily summoned with the Japanese keyboard. It's seen on Buddhist temples all over Asia.
      - immibis 1y ago
        Do Japanese people speak the same language as you and I?
    - mopsi 1y ago
      Finnish use of swastika predates Germany and the Finnish Air Force Academy uses swastika to this day in their official insignia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland) Taboos are a cultural thing, and the world is (thankfully) very far from having a monoculture shaped by NYC's neurotic intellectuals.
    - coldtea 1y ago
      >Do you still use swastikas as symbols of peace and love because you don't want white supremacists to define your language? They were hardly ever used in the west for at least a full millenium before the Nazis too (except a handful of cases, where they still use them, like the Finnish Air Force), so that's a moot analogy. In Asia, they still use them just fine, in houses, temples, businesses, and elsewhere.
    - 1y ago
weinzierl 1y ago
The OK gesture has always been very inappropriate in most parts of the world.
- chmod775 1y ago
  > The OK gesture has always been very inappropriate in most parts of the world. No, it isn't, and especially hasn't been historically. The negative connotations are overwhelmingly modern. The areas where it is very inappropriate right now tally up to maybe 1 billion people*. That's pretty far from "most". For everyone else it is mostly positive, neutral, or meaningless. *Brazil, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Greece, Italy, Spain, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, other parts of Eastern Europe
  - weinzierl 1y ago
    "No, it isn't, and especially hasn't been historically. The negative connotations are overwhelmingly modern." Maybe that is what Richard Nixon thought as well when he caused a little scandal using it in South America in 1950. In 1992 when the Chicago Tribune published "HANDS OFF" mentioning said episode the negative connotations still seemed to be in place[1]. In 1996 The New York Times stated "What's A-O.K. in the U.S.A. Is Lewd and Worthless Beyond"[2] as title of an article confirming the negative connotations. It is worth mentioning that this article lists Australia amongst the places where the gesture is inappropriate. I always thought it was something used only in the English-speaking world but it seems in reality it is more like a North American plus diving world thing. If you don't believe the press, I traveled around the world for more than 30 years and I can assure you in most parts using your thumb and index finger for a visual OK is not OK. [1] https://www.chicagotribune.com/1992/01/26/hands-off-34/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/1992/01/26/hands-off-34/ [2] https://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/18/weekinreview/what-s-a-ok-in-the-usa-is-lewd-and-worthless-beyond.html\ https://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/18/weekinreview/what-s-a-ok-...*
    - chmod775 1y ago
      Care to add any country to the list then? Did I miss anything? Let's see if we can push it past half of the world's population, but I don't think we will. > I can assure you in most parts using your thumb and index finger for a visual OK is not OK. You're moving goal posts. Of course it doesn't just mean "OK" in some places. What you actually claimed was "The OK gesture has always been very inappropriate in most parts of the world." Which is plain wrong. In India for instance it can refer to "money", while in China it can nowadays also be seen as a distress signal when performed a certain way (thanks to Chinese social media popularizing that use). There's some ways you can mess this up, like making it seem you're attempting to bribe someone, or signalling you're in distress when you aren't, but in neither country the gestures are inherently anywhere near "very inappropriate" and both will even understand it as "OK" if you perform it correctly and in the appropriate context. That's already almost 3 billion people, but let's say 2.5 billion because there's regional variations in both countries and I'm sure you could find some northern Chinese village that will take offense. I can easily push the number of people to whom it is not inappropriate past 4 billion by adding smaller populations (Indonesia, Japan, western Europe, USA, Taiwan, South Africa, Kenya, Nigeria, ...), so your claim that "[it] has always been very inappropriate in most parts of the world" cannot possibly be true.
bee_rider 1y ago
It would probably ban discussion of censorship.

immibis 1y ago

People weren't using the OK gesture innocently. After 4chan trolls decided to start pretending it was a white supremacist symbol, actual white supremacists started using it as a symbol.

coldtea 1y ago
All 10 of them? What about the other 7-8 billion people still using it normally?
- thephyber 1y ago
  Some were using it in the traditional unironic (and IMHO cringe) way, similar to anyone who used the phrase “Let’s go, Brandon!” Before that NASCAR race when MAGAs adopted it as ironic + coded vice signaling. Quit being overly pedantic. We all knew there was an unironic purpose for the gesture before it became ironic.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    I mean, advice from a person who considers the traditional unironic use of OK as "cringe"... Whatever dude
    - thephyber 1y ago
      I haven’t used the “ok” gesture unironically since I watched Beverly Hills Cop (1984).
- immibis 1y ago
  I promise you the world contains more than 10 white supremacists and less than 7,000,000,000 non-white-supremacists who regularly use the OK sign.
PunchyHamster 1y ago
then congratulations on making white supremacists define your langyage
- immibis 1y ago
  Do you still use swastikas as symbols of peace and love because you don't want white supremacists to define your language? I strongly doubt you do that. Whether you like it or not, the Nazis defined what the swastika means now.
  - anton-c 1y ago
    It's still seen in the countries that used it that way and is seen as benign. It can be easily summoned with the Japanese keyboard. It's seen on Buddhist temples all over Asia.
    - immibis 1y ago
      Do Japanese people speak the same language as you and I?
  - mopsi 1y ago
    Finnish use of swastika predates Germany and the Finnish Air Force Academy uses swastika to this day in their official insignia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland) Taboos are a cultural thing, and the world is (thankfully) very far from having a monoculture shaped by NYC's neurotic intellectuals.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    >Do you still use swastikas as symbols of peace and love because you don't want white supremacists to define your language? They were hardly ever used in the west for at least a full millenium before the Nazis too (except a handful of cases, where they still use them, like the Finnish Air Force), so that's a moot analogy. In Asia, they still use them just fine, in houses, temples, businesses, and elsewhere.
  - 1y ago

weinzierl 1y ago

The OK gesture has always been very inappropriate in most parts of the world.

chmod775 1y ago
> The OK gesture has always been very inappropriate in most parts of the world. No, it isn't, and especially hasn't been historically. The negative connotations are overwhelmingly modern. The areas where it is very inappropriate right now tally up to maybe 1 billion people*. That's pretty far from "most". For everyone else it is mostly positive, neutral, or meaningless. *Brazil, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Greece, Italy, Spain, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, other parts of Eastern Europe
- weinzierl 1y ago
  "No, it isn't, and especially hasn't been historically. The negative connotations are overwhelmingly modern." Maybe that is what Richard Nixon thought as well when he caused a little scandal using it in South America in 1950. In 1992 when the Chicago Tribune published "HANDS OFF" mentioning said episode the negative connotations still seemed to be in place[1]. In 1996 The New York Times stated "What's A-O.K. in the U.S.A. Is Lewd and Worthless Beyond"[2] as title of an article confirming the negative connotations. It is worth mentioning that this article lists Australia amongst the places where the gesture is inappropriate. I always thought it was something used only in the English-speaking world but it seems in reality it is more like a North American plus diving world thing. If you don't believe the press, I traveled around the world for more than 30 years and I can assure you in most parts using your thumb and index finger for a visual OK is not OK. [1] https://www.chicagotribune.com/1992/01/26/hands-off-34/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/1992/01/26/hands-off-34/ [2] https://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/18/weekinreview/what-s-a-ok-in-the-usa-is-lewd-and-worthless-beyond.html\ https://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/18/weekinreview/what-s-a-ok-...*
  - chmod775 1y ago
    Care to add any country to the list then? Did I miss anything? Let's see if we can push it past half of the world's population, but I don't think we will. > I can assure you in most parts using your thumb and index finger for a visual OK is not OK. You're moving goal posts. Of course it doesn't just mean "OK" in some places. What you actually claimed was "The OK gesture has always been very inappropriate in most parts of the world." Which is plain wrong. In India for instance it can refer to "money", while in China it can nowadays also be seen as a distress signal when performed a certain way (thanks to Chinese social media popularizing that use). There's some ways you can mess this up, like making it seem you're attempting to bribe someone, or signalling you're in distress when you aren't, but in neither country the gestures are inherently anywhere near "very inappropriate" and both will even understand it as "OK" if you perform it correctly and in the appropriate context. That's already almost 3 billion people, but let's say 2.5 billion because there's regional variations in both countries and I'm sure you could find some northern Chinese village that will take offense. I can easily push the number of people to whom it is not inappropriate past 4 billion by adding smaller populations (Indonesia, Japan, western Europe, USA, Taiwan, South Africa, Kenya, Nigeria, ...), so your claim that "[it] has always been very inappropriate in most parts of the world" cannot possibly be true.

bee_rider 1y ago

It would probably ban discussion of censorship.