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The existence of AGI has the implication that it can effectively turn most people into sock puppets at scale without them realizing they are sock puppets. Fox

The existence of AGI has the implication that it can effectively turn most people into sock puppets at scale without them realizing they are sock puppets. Fox News already did this in the US, and it didn't take AGI.

93po 1y ago
All corporate media has done this. For example, it's made left leaning people think that only Fox News is the issue when it's all corporate media
- doctaj 1y ago
  All corporate media have the same problems (ie: getting peoples' attention, money, advertising, etc. -- to stay alive). All corporate media have their own internal politics (like all businesses), a historical track record, a reputation, and individuals that have their own biases. However, not all corporate media blatantly lie to their users (that is... tell people incorrect information to get their point across). Fox News blatantly lies to their viewers -- that is, the intent is to give them false information. It IS different from the norm.
  - 93po 1y ago
    this is exactly my point. right wing politics in the US is absolutely uniquely harmful, they are objectively worse than left wing parties. however to think that the WSJ, CNN, WaPo, etc don't routinely lie/distort/twist/misrepresent ALL THE TIME about EVERYTHING is just completely completely wrong. these are publications owned and controlled by billionaires and are absolutely mouthpieces of what those billionaires what to distribute. and its not always "mr evil overlord yelling at the editor to run a fake narrative and lie about XYZ". it's "selfish narcissist billionaire will only hire an editor that already believes all this and does it without being asked to".
    - CamperBob2 1y ago
      Point being, only Fox has lost eight-figure lawsuits for broadcasting lies and calling it "News."
      - 93po 1y ago
        literally my first google search and result (for "cnn lawsuit") showed a multimillion dollar successful lawsuit against CNN for defamation (which requires that it be a lie): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies adding trump to the search instead of CNN shows ABC and Steph. being ordered to pay Trump $15 million for defamation (which again, requires lying about a person or facts): https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanopoulos-settlement-00194391 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanop... there are endless examples of this
        seanmcdirmid 1y ago
        Settlements aren’t judgements, just to be super clear. They can also just be bribes, or a realization that legal costs outweigh the truth. Trump is infamous for suing and badgering opponents into settlements to avoid losing even more money in trials even fintehy think they can win.
        whamlastxmas 1y ago
        there is zero way ABC or George would have accepted losing against trump/settling and the absolutely terrible optics of that if they had literally any other choice.
        seanmcdirmid 1y ago
        There is definitely lots of ways ABC or George would have seen nominal settlements more cost effective than a long winding trial. Trump has a long history of getting people who were clearly in the right to pay him.
        1y ago

93po 1y ago

All corporate media has done this. For example, it's made left leaning people think that only Fox News is the issue when it's all corporate media

doctaj 1y ago
All corporate media have the same problems (ie: getting peoples' attention, money, advertising, etc. -- to stay alive). All corporate media have their own internal politics (like all businesses), a historical track record, a reputation, and individuals that have their own biases. However, not all corporate media blatantly lie to their users (that is... tell people incorrect information to get their point across). Fox News blatantly lies to their viewers -- that is, the intent is to give them false information. It IS different from the norm.
- 93po 1y ago
  this is exactly my point. right wing politics in the US is absolutely uniquely harmful, they are objectively worse than left wing parties. however to think that the WSJ, CNN, WaPo, etc don't routinely lie/distort/twist/misrepresent ALL THE TIME about EVERYTHING is just completely completely wrong. these are publications owned and controlled by billionaires and are absolutely mouthpieces of what those billionaires what to distribute. and its not always "mr evil overlord yelling at the editor to run a fake narrative and lie about XYZ". it's "selfish narcissist billionaire will only hire an editor that already believes all this and does it without being asked to".
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    Point being, only Fox has lost eight-figure lawsuits for broadcasting lies and calling it "News."
    - 93po 1y ago
      literally my first google search and result (for "cnn lawsuit") showed a multimillion dollar successful lawsuit against CNN for defamation (which requires that it be a lie): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies adding trump to the search instead of CNN shows ABC and Steph. being ordered to pay Trump $15 million for defamation (which again, requires lying about a person or facts): https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanopoulos-settlement-00194391 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanop... there are endless examples of this
      - seanmcdirmid 1y ago
        Settlements aren’t judgements, just to be super clear. They can also just be bribes, or a realization that legal costs outweigh the truth. Trump is infamous for suing and badgering opponents into settlements to avoid losing even more money in trials even fintehy think they can win.
        whamlastxmas 1y ago
        there is zero way ABC or George would have accepted losing against trump/settling and the absolutely terrible optics of that if they had literally any other choice.
        seanmcdirmid 1y ago
        There is definitely lots of ways ABC or George would have seen nominal settlements more cost effective than a long winding trial. Trump has a long history of getting people who were clearly in the right to pay him.
      - 1y ago