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'It's too late': David Suzuki says the fight against climate change is lost
- dofubej 1y ago[flagged]
- morkalork 1y agoPut your money where your mouth is and move to Florida.
- ArtemZ 1y agoWell, it seems like a lot of people moving there
- toomuchtodo 1y agoClimate and real estate costs have slowed inbound migration drastically, with quite a bit of folks who can no longer afford Florida moving to Alabama, Georgia, and the Carolinas. https://www.newsweek.com/number-people-moving-texas-florida-cities-plummets-2060831 https://www.newsweek.com/number-people-moving-texas-florida-... https://www.newsweek.com/number-americans-moving-florida-collapses-2009668 https://www.newsweek.com/number-americans-moving-florida-col... https://www.axios.com/2024/10/03/american-states-moving-population-migration https://www.axios.com/2024/10/03/american-states-moving-popu...
- thechao 1y agoI'm tired of bailing Floridian and coastal Texans out after hurricanes. I'm in Austin (Texas) and our insurance bills are outrageous because of coastal cities (indirect, if nontrivial). If they want to live down there, fine, but I don't want to bail them out. Houston & Corpus are the worst offenders: they produce huge amounts of CO2 per capita, and then demand bailouts when climate change fucks them over.
- yupitsme123 1y agoWhat would the world look like if we had won the fight? I've been hearing about this fight for my entire life. People are extremely passionate and self-righteous about it and have science to back up everything they believe, so why was there never a single unified plan with a single unified movement behind it?
- vjvjvjvjghv 1y agoThere is one unified plan which is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and switch over to more sustainable energy sources.
- yupitsme123 1y agoThose are goals, not a plan. Is there a plan that scientists and activists agreed on that I should be supporting?
- alganet 1y agoNo, there is no masterplan. Not enough of the population was properly educated on the risks, and therefore a solid plan was never even conceived. We needed lots of people thinking about it in order to do that, while most people just discussed it superficially and were easily provoked, manipulated or distracted.
- yupitsme123 1y agoI never understood why the entire population needed to be involved. It's not a referendum. A handful of smart people just needed to get together and come up with a solution. Then the governments of the world implement it. I understand that the second part is difficult. But did the first part ever happen?
- alganet 1y ago> A handful of smart people just needed to get together Things don't work this way, unfortunatelly. This kind of thinking just pushes the problem to someone else do deal with, which only serves to shift up blame. Small groups are vulnerable to corruption, or distractions, or silly power plays. We needed _lots_ of people with good education and reasonable awareness of the risks, it was the only way to have a chance to develop a more solid plan. However, you got your way. There are small groups of smart people working on these issues. But many, many of us know that their chances are slim (due to the shortcomings mentioned earlier). Unfortunatelly, not that many to form a critical mass.
- dev1n 1y agoIt's unfortunate we didn't get more facts from the interviewee on how exactly it's too late. The interview felt more like a complaint about politics and less about the dire situation of humanity.
- dluan 1y agoFolks outside of Canada might not know him, but he's spent 50 years as a science TV host on CBC, kind of like a Canadian Carl Sagan.
- hilbert42 1y agoDavid Suzuki is even known to people in Australia, he's expressed his views on our national broadcaster the ABC's Science Show many times. I think the first time I'd heard him talk was in the 1980s. His view are well-known to anyone who has listened to his broadcasts. He is a clear and articulate speaker. Edit: I agree with xnx's point that "the climate change "movement" and messaging is so bad and misguided that it is counterproductive." Suzuki is one of the exceptions, his arguments are logical, straightforward and backed up by scientific fact.
- xenator 1y ago[flagged]
- hilbert42 1y agoIt's a shame you aren't better informed. Suzuki is not just a local phenomenon, nor is he a mumbling hysterical ideolog but a well-known and well-respected science writer of longstanding who bases what he says in science. I'm not local but come from the other side of the planet and even the opposite hemisphere and I first heard Suzuki speak over 40 years ago. Neither am I an hysterical ideolog, as mentioned I agree with xnx's point that the climate change Movement's messaging is bad, misguided and counterproductive. I'd add the reason why it's so is that for some within the Movement the environment is more than just politics, for them it's essentially morphed into a religion and it's their constant proselytizing that has annoyed the shit out of many, myself included. Suzuki is not one of those but a science communicator who works with scientific facts.
- xnx 1y agoI love the natural world, and think what we've done to it is terrible, but the climate change "movement" and messaging is so bad and misguided that it is counterproductive. The world will not become unlivable on a timescale that any living person cares about (as revealed by expressed preference). People live in Phoenix in the summer by choice!
- goopypoop 1y agoI'm more worried about the roof getting blown off my flooded house
- alganet 1y agoThe world economy is a delicate machine. One or two degrees will not incinerate you, but it might affect some crops, and then some food prices, and then there could be some starving, and poverty, and disease. Things could escalate quickly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
- vdupras 1y agoWe've got to define "unlivable". What if statistically, everyone's house will be destroyed by flooding, forest fires, etc.. let's say, twice in their lifetime. How can the math possibly add up if a house's price requires a 50 years mortgage? At some point, something's gotta give and that kind of odds will happen in a timescale shorter than many living people care about. Also, wasn't there something about, you know, caring for the generations to come? Maybe I misremember...
- toomuchtodo 1y agoThe US is currently spending ~$1T/year on climate costs. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-17/us-spending-on-climate-damage-nears-1-trillion-per-year https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-17/us-spendi... | https://archive.today/EBmaI https://archive.today/EBmaI https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/09/climate-crisis-cost-extreme-weather-damage-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/09/climate-...
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- MrPapz 1y agoWe’re at a terrible crossroads. If climate scientists are right, we’re headed for unavoidable disruption. Some now say it’s already too late — all we can do is mitigate and adapt. Start local. Know your neighbors. Build resilience. But if they’re wrong, that’s also bad news. It means our scientific institutions failed us, and the political trust placed in “studies” will collapse. The next time someone says “science says…”, society may not listen. Either way, it’s a precarious place to be. Until then, enjoy the summer — it might be the coolest one we have left.
- decimalenough 1y ago> the political trust placed in “studies” will collapse. That horse has already bolted. See eg. vaccinations and autism, efficacy of COVID vaccines, etc.
- clipsy 1y agoIf people think "scientists can never be wrong," we have fundamentally and deeply failed to explain how science actually works. And sadly, that does seem to be the case.
- threatofrain 1y agoWhen people say science is wrong, it often comes from a place where they forgot that the rest of the world exists, each with their own institutions, each with their own responsibility to thrive.
- xenator 1y agoEspecially understanding that they are not responsible for any bold assumptions or doomsday predictions. Academic science is more religion than actual religion.
- tim333 1y agoThere is a third option that it's real but not as bad as people make out. Like in my case the fallout is more that I'm thinking of installing aircon rather than general doom.
- mytailorisrich 1y agoThis is well known. This includes the fact that whatever we do now the impact of what's already done will be felt for thousands of years.
- tubalcain 1y ago[flagged]