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It does ship with one, right click on zip file -> extract all. Why are you posting incorrect information that would have been clarified to you by a 3 second goo

It does ship with one, right click on zip file -> extract all. Why are you posting incorrect information that would have been clarified to you by a 3 second google search beforehand? It didn't ship in the distant past due to anti-competitive reasons but it is there now.

doctorpangloss 1y ago
It ships with a very terrible wizard. Maybe I should say, why does the Windows unarchiving feature suck?
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >It ships with a very terrible wizard. Terrible how? It just needs to zip and unzip and it does that fine for most users. What else do you expect for casual users? For power usurers there's 7zip or WinRar or other solutions. > Maybe I should say, why does the Windows unarchiving feature suck? And what stopped you from saying that? HN rules say comments should be in good faith. What you said has clearly different meaning than what you say you meant.
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    When it has bad support for just zip I think phrasing it as windows lacking an unarchiving utility is reasonable enough, and certainly not bad enough to get flagged like the comment currently is. It's not bad faith, jeez. I'm going to go vouch for the comment and hope it survives. And it's only because of that comment that I learned windows 11 finally improves things.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Who's the judge of zip support being 'bad'? HN users are different breed of sticklers that aren't representative of the norm. There's a grand canyon gap between something not existing and you not liking it how it works because your personal tastes, hence why the comment is flagged, because it's in bad faith and disingenuous.
      - Dylan16807 1y ago
        > Who's the judge of zip support being 'bad'? > HN users are different breed of sticklers that aren't representative of the norm. It acts kind of like a folder but tons of things don't work when you navigate into it. And it hasn't been improved in 20 years. It's bad. It's significantly worse for a random person because stuff breaks and they don't know why. At least if you try to run an exe it asks about extracting the whole thing so that one case is less likely to blow up. > There's a grand canyon gap between something not existing and you not liking it how it works because your personal tastes, hence why the comment is flagged, because it's in bad faith and disingenuous. Just the fact that it doesn't work for any other archive format is enough to make the original comment merely sloppy wording. It's not bad faith or disingenuous. Don't be so judgemental.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >Just the fact that it doesn't work for any other archive format Humor me, how popular or other non-zip formats for average Joe's uses? I'm a paper user and can't remember the last time I encountered a non zip format.
        Dylan16807 1y ago
        I'm not sure but I've sure seen a lot of winrar memes.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        I guess that settles it.
  - kotaKat 1y ago
    The Extraction Wizard is a bit clunky opening a dialog box asking where you want to extract things... ...then a brief flash as the decompress happens because it's no longer 1998 and we're not extracting 2 MB of ZIP files on a Pentium 166, ... then you get a silly "complete!" screen with a pre-filled checkbox that spawns another Windows Explorer window by default. Eh, three clunky "wizard" screens is a bit much for a "extract here..." command.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      That never bothered me. That's a non issues for normal people.
- jchw 1y ago
  I think you're talking about the extraction feature that came with ZIP folders. Aside from being clunky it's also rather inefficient and slow, it doesn't have any provisions for handling issues like mojibake, and is generally just not very robust. So why? AFAIK it's because the ZIP Folders/Visual ZIP code was basically integrated with Windows and then never updated. When it shipped in Windows XP (and possibly earlier, but I don't remember for sure) I think it was perfectly serviceable... it just didn't improve much over time. I can't really stomach Windows 11 so I don't personally use it but my understanding is that the latest version of Windows 11 has finally integrated a better solution, implementing archive extraction based on libarchive.
rjsw 1y ago
It doesn't ship with a working unarchive utility, the one that is included will discard anything that goes over the maximum pathname length.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  Weird, I never ran into that issue. Am I holding it wrong?
- monster_truck 1y ago
  It also tends to kill explorer any time you try to decompress anything you'd actually compress in the first place (ie 100gb of json or a db dump)

doctorpangloss 1y ago

It ships with a very terrible wizard. Maybe I should say, why does the Windows unarchiving feature suck?

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>It ships with a very terrible wizard. Terrible how? It just needs to zip and unzip and it does that fine for most users. What else do you expect for casual users? For power usurers there's 7zip or WinRar or other solutions. > Maybe I should say, why does the Windows unarchiving feature suck? And what stopped you from saying that? HN rules say comments should be in good faith. What you said has clearly different meaning than what you say you meant.
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  When it has bad support for just zip I think phrasing it as windows lacking an unarchiving utility is reasonable enough, and certainly not bad enough to get flagged like the comment currently is. It's not bad faith, jeez. I'm going to go vouch for the comment and hope it survives. And it's only because of that comment that I learned windows 11 finally improves things.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Who's the judge of zip support being 'bad'? HN users are different breed of sticklers that aren't representative of the norm. There's a grand canyon gap between something not existing and you not liking it how it works because your personal tastes, hence why the comment is flagged, because it's in bad faith and disingenuous.
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      > Who's the judge of zip support being 'bad'? > HN users are different breed of sticklers that aren't representative of the norm. It acts kind of like a folder but tons of things don't work when you navigate into it. And it hasn't been improved in 20 years. It's bad. It's significantly worse for a random person because stuff breaks and they don't know why. At least if you try to run an exe it asks about extracting the whole thing so that one case is less likely to blow up. > There's a grand canyon gap between something not existing and you not liking it how it works because your personal tastes, hence why the comment is flagged, because it's in bad faith and disingenuous. Just the fact that it doesn't work for any other archive format is enough to make the original comment merely sloppy wording. It's not bad faith or disingenuous. Don't be so judgemental.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >Just the fact that it doesn't work for any other archive format Humor me, how popular or other non-zip formats for average Joe's uses? I'm a paper user and can't remember the last time I encountered a non zip format.
        Dylan16807 1y ago
        I'm not sure but I've sure seen a lot of winrar memes.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        I guess that settles it.
- kotaKat 1y ago
  The Extraction Wizard is a bit clunky opening a dialog box asking where you want to extract things... ...then a brief flash as the decompress happens because it's no longer 1998 and we're not extracting 2 MB of ZIP files on a Pentium 166, ... then you get a silly "complete!" screen with a pre-filled checkbox that spawns another Windows Explorer window by default. Eh, three clunky "wizard" screens is a bit much for a "extract here..." command.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    That never bothered me. That's a non issues for normal people.
jchw 1y ago
I think you're talking about the extraction feature that came with ZIP folders. Aside from being clunky it's also rather inefficient and slow, it doesn't have any provisions for handling issues like mojibake, and is generally just not very robust. So why? AFAIK it's because the ZIP Folders/Visual ZIP code was basically integrated with Windows and then never updated. When it shipped in Windows XP (and possibly earlier, but I don't remember for sure) I think it was perfectly serviceable... it just didn't improve much over time. I can't really stomach Windows 11 so I don't personally use it but my understanding is that the latest version of Windows 11 has finally integrated a better solution, implementing archive extraction based on libarchive.

rjsw 1y ago

It doesn't ship with a working unarchive utility, the one that is included will discard anything that goes over the maximum pathname length.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
Weird, I never ran into that issue. Am I holding it wrong?
monster_truck 1y ago
It also tends to kill explorer any time you try to decompress anything you'd actually compress in the first place (ie 100gb of json or a db dump)