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I think the reason you see things like Blizzard killing off Overwatch 1 is because the Lindy effect applies in gaming as well. Some things are so sticky and pre

I think the reason you see things like Blizzard killing off Overwatch 1 is because the Lindy effect applies in gaming as well. Some things are so sticky and preferred that you have to commit atrocities to remove them from use. From a supply/demand perspective, if all of your customers are still getting high on the 5 (or 20) year old supply, launching a new title in the same space isn't going to work. There are not an infinite # of gamers and the global dopamine budget is limited. Launching a game like TF2 or Starcraft 2 in 2025 would be viewed as a business catastrophe by the metrics most AAA studios are currently operating under. Monthly ARPU for gamers years after purchasing the Orange Box was approximately $0.00. Giving gamers access to that strong of a drug would ruin the demand for other products.

a_wild_dandan 1y ago
I purchased "approximately $0.00" in TF2 loot boxes. How much exactly? Left as an exercise to the reader.
- refulgentis 1y ago
  This is too clever for me, I think - 0?
  - simonh 1y ago
    Approximately. +/- 0
- bigyabai 1y ago
  People forget that TF2 was originally 20 dollars before hitting the F2P market.
  - ThrowawayTestr 1y ago
    I paid full price for the orange box
- KeplerBoy 1y ago
  When were microtransactions added to TF2? Probably years after the initial launch, and they worked so well the game became f2p.
aledalgrande 1y ago
Petition related to companies like Blizzard killing games: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
sidewndr46 1y ago
From a business perspective, launching a game like Starcraft 2 at any time is a business catastrophe. There are obscure microtransactions in other Blizzard titles that have generated more revenue than Starcraft 2.
- bob1029 1y ago
  If SC2 was such a failure at any time, why bother with 3 expansions? I think the biggest factors involve willingness to operate with substantially smaller margins and org charts. It genuinely seemed like "Is this fun?" was actually a bigger priority than profit prior to the Activision merger.
  - fireflash38 1y ago
    I like games companies that create games for fun and story, rather than just pure profit.
  - sidewndr46 1y ago
    Activision Blizzard was not a well run company. After running the company into the ground Kotick sold it off to Microsoft.
- rollcat 1y ago
  There's plenty of business opportunity in any genre; you can make a shit-ton of money by simply making the game good and building community goodwill. The strategy is simple: 1. there's always plenty of people who are ready to spend way more money in a game than you and I would consider sane - just let them spend it but 2. make it easy to gift in-game items to other players. You don't even need to keep adding that much content - the "whales" are always happy to keep giving away to new players all the time. Assuming you've built up that goodwill, this is all you need to keep the cash flowing. But that's non-exploitative, so you'll be missing that extra 1%. /shrug
rollcat 1y ago
> Launching a game like [...] Starcraft 2 They can't even keep the lights on for SC2. We [the community] have been designing our own balance patches for the past five years; and our own ladder maps since +/- day 1 - all Blizzard was to do since 2020 was to press the "deploy" button, and they f-ed it up several times anyway. The news of the year so far is that someone has been exploiting a remote hole to upload some seriously disturbing stuff to the arcade (custom maps/mods) section. So of course rather than fixing the hole, Blizzard has cut off uploads. So we can't test the balance changes. Three weeks left until EWC, a __$700.000__ tournament, by the way. Theoretically SC2 could become like Brood War, with balance changes happening purely through map design. Except we can't upload maps either.

a_wild_dandan 1y ago

I purchased "approximately $0.00" in TF2 loot boxes. How much exactly? Left as an exercise to the reader.

refulgentis 1y ago
This is too clever for me, I think - 0?
- simonh 1y ago
  Approximately. +/- 0
bigyabai 1y ago
People forget that TF2 was originally 20 dollars before hitting the F2P market.
- ThrowawayTestr 1y ago
  I paid full price for the orange box
KeplerBoy 1y ago
When were microtransactions added to TF2? Probably years after the initial launch, and they worked so well the game became f2p.

aledalgrande 1y ago

Petition related to companies like Blizzard killing games: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

sidewndr46 1y ago

From a business perspective, launching a game like Starcraft 2 at any time is a business catastrophe. There are obscure microtransactions in other Blizzard titles that have generated more revenue than Starcraft 2.

bob1029 1y ago
If SC2 was such a failure at any time, why bother with 3 expansions? I think the biggest factors involve willingness to operate with substantially smaller margins and org charts. It genuinely seemed like "Is this fun?" was actually a bigger priority than profit prior to the Activision merger.
- fireflash38 1y ago
  I like games companies that create games for fun and story, rather than just pure profit.
- sidewndr46 1y ago
  Activision Blizzard was not a well run company. After running the company into the ground Kotick sold it off to Microsoft.
rollcat 1y ago
There's plenty of business opportunity in any genre; you can make a shit-ton of money by simply making the game good and building community goodwill. The strategy is simple: 1. there's always plenty of people who are ready to spend way more money in a game than you and I would consider sane - just let them spend it but 2. make it easy to gift in-game items to other players. You don't even need to keep adding that much content - the "whales" are always happy to keep giving away to new players all the time. Assuming you've built up that goodwill, this is all you need to keep the cash flowing. But that's non-exploitative, so you'll be missing that extra 1%. /shrug

rollcat 1y ago

> Launching a game like [...] Starcraft 2 They can't even keep the lights on for SC2. We [the community] have been designing our own balance patches for the past five years; and our own ladder maps since +/- day 1 - all Blizzard was to do since 2020 was to press the "deploy" button, and they f-ed it up several times anyway. The news of the year so far is that someone has been exploiting a remote hole to upload some seriously disturbing stuff to the arcade (custom maps/mods) section. So of course rather than fixing the hole, Blizzard has cut off uploads. So we can't test the balance changes. Three weeks left until EWC, a __$700.000__ tournament, by the way. Theoretically SC2 could become like Brood War, with balance changes happening purely through map design. Except we can't upload maps either.