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Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste ton

Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.

rightbyte 1y ago
Steam's Wine thing works quite well. And yes you need to fiddle and do work arounds including giving up getting some games to work.
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  Yeah Proton covers a lot of titles. It’s mainly games that use the most draconian forms of anticheat that don’t work.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. Last one I ever tried was https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 with comments like "works perfectly, except multiplayer is completely broken" and the workaround has changed 3 times so far, also it lags no matter what. Gave up after stealing 4 different DLLs from Windows. It doesn't even have anticheat, it's just cause of some obscure math library.
  - surgical_fire 1y ago
    > Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. I literally never had to do that. Most tweaking I needed to do was switching proton versions here and there (which is trivial to do).
  - webstrand 1y ago
    I've been running opensuse+steam and I never had to tweak a dll to get a game running. Albeit that I don't exactly chase the latest AAA, the new releases that I have tried have worked well. Age of empires 2 used to work well, without needing any babying, so I'm not sure why it didn't for you. I will see about spinning it up.
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      It's the kind of problem where you think it's fixed, until it's not. Someone gave an expert insight last time I brought this up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049
  - imtringued 1y ago
    You're not supposed to "steal DLLs". You're supposed to find a proton fork like "glorious eggroll" that has patches specifically for your game.
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      This is a perfect example of the "small" tweaks people fail to mention when saying games work fine in Linux.
- y-curious 1y ago
  It's Linux, what software doesn't need fiddling to work?
  - msgodel 1y ago
    Other than maybe iOS what OSes in general don't need fiddling these days to be usable?
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      Mac. And Windows evidently, even though MS treats you like dirt.
snackbroken 1y ago
Out of the 11 games I've bought through Steam this year, I've had to refund one (1) because it wouldn't run under Proton, two (2) had minor graphical glitches that didn't meaningfully affect my enjoyment of them, and two (2) had native Linux builds. Proton has gotten good enough that I've switched from spending time researching if I can play a game to just assuming that I can. Presumably ymmv depending on your taste in games of course, but I'm not interested in competitive multiplayer games with invasive anticheat which appears to be the biggest remaining pain point. My experience with running non-game windows-only programs has been similar over the past ~5 years. It really is finally the Year of the Linux Desktop, only few people seem to have noticed.
- mystified5016 1y ago
  The only games in my library at all that don't work on linux are indie games from the early 2000s, and I'm comfortable blaming the games themselves in this case. I also don't play any games that require a rootkit, so..
  - globalnode 1y ago
    good move, thats why i treat my windows install as a dumb game box, they can steal whatever data they want from that i dont care. i do my real work on linux, as far away from windows as i can possibly get.
    - theshackleford 1y ago
      Same way I treat my windows machine, but also the reason I wont be swapping it to linux any time soon. I use different operating systems for different purposes for a reason. It's great for fompartmentalization. When I am in front of windows, I know I can permit myself to relax, breath easy and let off some steam. When I am not, I know I am there to learn/earn a living/produce something etc. Most probably do not need this, but my brain does, or I would never switch off.
      - duckmysick 1y ago
surgical_fire 1y ago
> It does sorta require Windows. The vast majority of my gaming library runs fine on Linux. Older games might run better than on Windows, in fact.
- JeremyNT 1y ago
  True for single player, but if you're into multiplayer games anti-cheat is an issue.
  - surgical_fire 1y ago
    If a game requires invasive anticheat, it is probably something I won't enjoy playing. Most likely the game will be full of cheaters anyway. And yes, I rarely play anything online multiplayer.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      So you have a specifically Linux-friendly game library
  - akimbostrawman 1y ago
    multiplayer games with anti cheat are the minority and of those about 40% do work areweanticheatyet.com
esseph 1y ago
Proton/Steam/ Linux works damn nearly flawlessly for /most/ games. I've gone through a Nvidia 2060, a 4060, and now an AMD 6700 XT. No issues even for release titles at launch.
- jabwd 1y ago
  What version of Linux do you run for that? I've had issues getting Fedora or Ubuntu or Mint to work with my Xbox controller + Bluetooth card combo, somehow Bazzite doesn't have these issues even though its based on Fedora and I don't know what I did wrong with the other distros.

Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.

rightbyte 1y ago

Steam's Wine thing works quite well. And yes you need to fiddle and do work arounds including giving up getting some games to work.

cosmic_cheese 1y ago
Yeah Proton covers a lot of titles. It’s mainly games that use the most draconian forms of anticheat that don’t work.
frollogaston 1y ago
Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. Last one I ever tried was https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 with comments like "works perfectly, except multiplayer is completely broken" and the workaround has changed 3 times so far, also it lags no matter what. Gave up after stealing 4 different DLLs from Windows. It doesn't even have anticheat, it's just cause of some obscure math library.
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  > Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. I literally never had to do that. Most tweaking I needed to do was switching proton versions here and there (which is trivial to do).
- webstrand 1y ago
  I've been running opensuse+steam and I never had to tweak a dll to get a game running. Albeit that I don't exactly chase the latest AAA, the new releases that I have tried have worked well. Age of empires 2 used to work well, without needing any babying, so I'm not sure why it didn't for you. I will see about spinning it up.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    It's the kind of problem where you think it's fixed, until it's not. Someone gave an expert insight last time I brought this up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049
- imtringued 1y ago
  You're not supposed to "steal DLLs". You're supposed to find a proton fork like "glorious eggroll" that has patches specifically for your game.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    This is a perfect example of the "small" tweaks people fail to mention when saying games work fine in Linux.
y-curious 1y ago
It's Linux, what software doesn't need fiddling to work?
- msgodel 1y ago
  Other than maybe iOS what OSes in general don't need fiddling these days to be usable?
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    Mac. And Windows evidently, even though MS treats you like dirt.

snackbroken 1y ago

Out of the 11 games I've bought through Steam this year, I've had to refund one (1) because it wouldn't run under Proton, two (2) had minor graphical glitches that didn't meaningfully affect my enjoyment of them, and two (2) had native Linux builds. Proton has gotten good enough that I've switched from spending time researching if I can play a game to just assuming that I can. Presumably ymmv depending on your taste in games of course, but I'm not interested in competitive multiplayer games with invasive anticheat which appears to be the biggest remaining pain point. My experience with running non-game windows-only programs has been similar over the past ~5 years. It really is finally the Year of the Linux Desktop, only few people seem to have noticed.

mystified5016 1y ago
The only games in my library at all that don't work on linux are indie games from the early 2000s, and I'm comfortable blaming the games themselves in this case. I also don't play any games that require a rootkit, so..
- globalnode 1y ago
  good move, thats why i treat my windows install as a dumb game box, they can steal whatever data they want from that i dont care. i do my real work on linux, as far away from windows as i can possibly get.
  - theshackleford 1y ago
    Same way I treat my windows machine, but also the reason I wont be swapping it to linux any time soon. I use different operating systems for different purposes for a reason. It's great for fompartmentalization. When I am in front of windows, I know I can permit myself to relax, breath easy and let off some steam. When I am not, I know I am there to learn/earn a living/produce something etc. Most probably do not need this, but my brain does, or I would never switch off.
    - duckmysick 1y ago

surgical_fire 1y ago

> It does sorta require Windows. The vast majority of my gaming library runs fine on Linux. Older games might run better than on Windows, in fact.

JeremyNT 1y ago
True for single player, but if you're into multiplayer games anti-cheat is an issue.
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  If a game requires invasive anticheat, it is probably something I won't enjoy playing. Most likely the game will be full of cheaters anyway. And yes, I rarely play anything online multiplayer.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    So you have a specifically Linux-friendly game library
- akimbostrawman 1y ago
  multiplayer games with anti cheat are the minority and of those about 40% do work areweanticheatyet.com

esseph 1y ago

Proton/Steam/ Linux works damn nearly flawlessly for /most/ games. I've gone through a Nvidia 2060, a 4060, and now an AMD 6700 XT. No issues even for release titles at launch.

jabwd 1y ago
What version of Linux do you run for that? I've had issues getting Fedora or Ubuntu or Mint to work with my Xbox controller + Bluetooth card combo, somehow Bazzite doesn't have these issues even though its based on Fedora and I don't know what I did wrong with the other distros.