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> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking A

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooom and then cry and outrage when they are exploited instead of just walking away and doing something else. Same with magic the gathering, the game went to shit and so many people got outraged and in a big huff but they still spend thousands on the hobby. I just stopped playing mtg.

nobodyandproud 1y ago
I couldn’t be more pleased with my 7900xt 20gb. Running most inference models (quantized of course) via Vulkan. Playing games using Wine and/or Steam+Proton on Linux. Sweet spot in price.
frollogaston 1y ago
Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.
- rightbyte 1y ago
  Steam's Wine thing works quite well. And yes you need to fiddle and do work arounds including giving up getting some games to work.
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    Yeah Proton covers a lot of titles. It’s mainly games that use the most draconian forms of anticheat that don’t work.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. Last one I ever tried was https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 with comments like "works perfectly, except multiplayer is completely broken" and the workaround has changed 3 times so far, also it lags no matter what. Gave up after stealing 4 different DLLs from Windows. It doesn't even have anticheat, it's just cause of some obscure math library.
    - surgical_fire 1y ago
      > Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. I literally never had to do that. Most tweaking I needed to do was switching proton versions here and there (which is trivial to do).
    - webstrand 1y ago
      I've been running opensuse+steam and I never had to tweak a dll to get a game running. Albeit that I don't exactly chase the latest AAA, the new releases that I have tried have worked well. Age of empires 2 used to work well, without needing any babying, so I'm not sure why it didn't for you. I will see about spinning it up.
      - frollogaston 1y ago
        It's the kind of problem where you think it's fixed, until it's not. Someone gave an expert insight last time I brought this up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049
    - imtringued 1y ago
      You're not supposed to "steal DLLs". You're supposed to find a proton fork like "glorious eggroll" that has patches specifically for your game.
  - y-curious 1y ago
    It's Linux, what software doesn't need fiddling to work?
    - msgodel 1y ago
      Other than maybe iOS what OSes in general don't need fiddling these days to be usable?
      - frollogaston 1y ago
        Mac. And Windows evidently, even though MS treats you like dirt.
- snackbroken 1y ago
  Out of the 11 games I've bought through Steam this year, I've had to refund one (1) because it wouldn't run under Proton, two (2) had minor graphical glitches that didn't meaningfully affect my enjoyment of them, and two (2) had native Linux builds. Proton has gotten good enough that I've switched from spending time researching if I can play a game to just assuming that I can. Presumably ymmv depending on your taste in games of course, but I'm not interested in competitive multiplayer games with invasive anticheat which appears to be the biggest remaining pain point. My experience with running non-game windows-only programs has been similar over the past ~5 years. It really is finally the Year of the Linux Desktop, only few people seem to have noticed.
  - mystified5016 1y ago
    The only games in my library at all that don't work on linux are indie games from the early 2000s, and I'm comfortable blaming the games themselves in this case. I also don't play any games that require a rootkit, so..
    - globalnode 1y ago
      good move, thats why i treat my windows install as a dumb game box, they can steal whatever data they want from that i dont care. i do my real work on linux, as far away from windows as i can possibly get.
      - theshackleford 1y ago
        Same way I treat my windows machine, but also the reason I wont be swapping it to linux any time soon. I use different operating systems for different purposes for a reason. It's great for fompartmentalization. When I am in front of windows, I know I can permit myself to relax, breath easy and let off some steam. When I am not, I know I am there to learn/earn a living/produce something etc. Most probably do not need this, but my brain does, or I would never switch off.
        duckmysick 1y ago
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  > It does sorta require Windows. The vast majority of my gaming library runs fine on Linux. Older games might run better than on Windows, in fact.
  - JeremyNT 1y ago
    True for single player, but if you're into multiplayer games anti-cheat is an issue.
    - surgical_fire 1y ago
      If a game requires invasive anticheat, it is probably something I won't enjoy playing. Most likely the game will be full of cheaters anyway. And yes, I rarely play anything online multiplayer.
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      - frollogaston 1y ago
        So you have a specifically Linux-friendly game library
    - akimbostrawman 1y ago
      multiplayer games with anti cheat are the minority and of those about 40% do work areweanticheatyet.com
- esseph 1y ago
  Proton/Steam/ Linux works damn nearly flawlessly for /most/ games. I've gone through a Nvidia 2060, a 4060, and now an AMD 6700 XT. No issues even for release titles at launch.
  - jabwd 1y ago
    What version of Linux do you run for that? I've had issues getting Fedora or Ubuntu or Mint to work with my Xbox controller + Bluetooth card combo, somehow Bazzite doesn't have these issues even though its based on Fedora and I don't know what I did wrong with the other distros.
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bob1029 1y ago
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it. I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.
- Finnucane 1y ago
  Same here. I got mine five years ago when I needed to upgrade my workstation to do work-from-home, and it's been entirely adequate since then. I switched the CPU from an AMD 3900 to a 5900, but that's the only upgrade. The differences from one generation to the next are pretty marginal.
- leoapagano 1y ago
  Same here - actually, my PC broke in early 2024 and I still haven't fixed it. I quickly found out that without gaming, I no longer have any use for my PC, so now I just do everything on my MacBook.
- nicce 1y ago
  > I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade. Same boat. I have 5700XT as well and since 2023, used mostly my Mac for gaming.
- pshirshov 1y ago
  PCI reset bug makes it necessary to upgrade to 6xxx series at least.
- __turbobrew__ 1y ago
  Im a reformed gaming addict as well and mostly play games over 10 years old, and am happy to keep doing that.
- Mars008 1y ago
  Still have 2080 RTX on primary desktop, it's more than enough for GUI. Just got PRO 6000 96GB for models tuning/training/etc. The cheapest 'good enough' for my needs option.
surgical_fire 1y ago
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My main hobby is videogames, but since I can consistently play most games on Linux (that has good AMD support), it doesn't really matter.
- kassner 1y ago
  Steam+Proton has been so incredibly good in the last year that I’m yet to install Windows on my gaming PC. I really do recommend anyone to try out that option first.
  - surgical_fire 1y ago
    Also, I've been using Lutris to install things from GoG or even standalone games. Pretty straight forward to manage what proton version to use for each there. After 3 years, I haven't missed Windows a single day.
mathiaspoint 1y ago
AMD isn't even bad at video games, it's just pytorch that doesn't work so well.
- kyrra 1y ago
  Frame per watt they aren't as good. But they are still decent.
  - msgodel 1y ago
    TCO per FPS is almost certainly cheaper.
  - trynumber9 1y ago
    They seem to be close? The RX 9070 is the 2nd most efficient graphics card this generation according to TechPowerUp and they also do well when limited to 60Hz, implying their joules per frame isn't bad either. Efficiency: https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-oc/images/energy-efficiency.png https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-o... Vsync power draw: https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-oc/images/power-vsync.png https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-o... The variance within Nvidia's line-up is much larger than the variance between brands, anyway.
    - docmars 1y ago
      The RX 9070XT goes toe-to-toe with the RTX 4080 in many benchmarks, and costs around 2/3 MSRP. I'd say that's a pretty big win!
    - tankenmate 1y ago
      I run 9070s (non XT) and in combination with under-volting it is very efficient in both joules per frame and joules per token. And in terms of purchase price it was a steal compared to similar class of NVidia cards.
  - Mithriil 1y ago
    Did you read the article? One of the points is that frames are not a good metric anymore for NVIDIA, since they push the idea that gaming NEEDS AI-generated frames and bullies reviewers to include TAA, DLSS and other frame-boosting techs when giving framerates.
darkoob12 1y ago
I am not a gamer and don't why AMD GPUs aren't good enough. It's weird since both Xbox and PlayStation are using AMD GPUs. I guess there games that you can only play on PC with Nvidia graphics. That begs the question why someone create a game and ignore large console market.
- PoshBreeze 1y ago
  Nvidia is the high end, AMD is the mid segment and Intel is the low end. In reality I am playing 4K on HellDivers with 50-60FPS on a 6800XT. Traditionally the NVIDIA drivers have been more stable on Windows than the AMD drivers. I choose an AMD card because I wanted a hassle free experience on Linux (well as much as you can).
- ErrorNoBrain 1y ago
  ive used an amd card for a couple years its been great. flawless in fact.
  - sfn42 1y ago
    Same. Bought a 6950xt for like $800ish or something like that a few years ago and it's been perfect. Runs any game I want to play on ultra 1440p with good fps. No issues. Maybe there's a difference for the people who buy the absolute top end cards but I don't. I look for best value and when I looked into it amd looked better to me. Also got an amd CPU which has aso been great.
- senko 1y ago
  > AMD GPUs aren't good enough. Software. AMD has traditionally been really bad at their drivers. (They also missed the AI train and are trying to catch up). I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices.
  - rewgs 1y ago
    > I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices. Err, what? While you're right about Intel integrated GPUs being a safe choice, AMD has long since been the GPU of choice for Linux -- it just works. Whereas Nvidia on Linux has been flaky for as long as I can remember.
stodor89 1y ago
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. I think more and more people will realize games are a waste of time for them and go on to find other hobbies. As a game developer, it kinda worries me. As a gamer, I can't wait for gaming to be a niche thing again, haha.
- esseph 1y ago
  "it's just a fad" Nah. Games will always be around.
  - stodor89 1y ago
    Of course they will. People play since before they were people.
- whatevertrevor 1y ago
  The games industry is now bigger than the movies industry. I think you're very wrong about this, as games are engaging in a way other consumption based media simply cannot replicate.
  - padjo 1y ago
    I played video games since I was a teenager. Loved them, was obsessed with them. Then sometime around 40 I just gave up. Not because of life pressure or lack of time but because I just started to find them really boring and unfulfilling. Now I’d much rather watch movies or read. I don’t know if the games changed or I changed.
    - whatevertrevor 1y ago
      I get that, I go through periods of falling in and out of them too after having grown up with them. But there is a huge fraction of my age group (and a little older) that have consistently had games as their main "consumption" hobby throughout. And then there's the age group younger than me, for whom games are not only a hobby but also a "social place to be", I doubt they'll be dropping gaming entirely easily.
klipklop 1y ago
You are certainly right that this group has little spending self-control. There is no limit just about to how abusive companies like Hasbro, Nvidia and Nintendo can be and still rake in record sales. They will complain endlessly about the price of a RTX 5090 and still rush out to buy it. I know people that own these high end cards as a flex, but their lives are too busy to actually play games.
- kevincox 1y ago
  I'm not saying that these companies aren't charging "fair" prices (whatever that means) but for many hardcore gamers their spending per hour is tiny compared to other forms of entertainment. They may buyba $100 game and play to for over 100 hours. Maybe add another $1/hour for the console. Compared to someone who frequents the cinema goes to the pub or does many other common hobbies and it can be hard to say that games are getting screwed. Now it is hard to draw a straight comparison. Gamers may spend a lot more time playing so $/h isn't a perfect metric. And some will frequently buy new games or worse things like microtransactions which quickly skyrocket the cost. But overall it doesn't seem like the most expensive hobby, especially if you are trying to spend less.
  - dgellow 1y ago
    Off-topic: micro transactions are just digital transactions. There is nothing micro about them. I really wish that term would just die
    - hot_gril 1y ago
      Probably called that because it's smaller than the transaction of buying the game
      - dgellow 1y ago
        You would think so, but that’s not how the term has been used for over a decade. It has always been a marketing tool. Any in game transaction is called micro transactions. For what it’s worth most games with so called micro transactions are free. Look at https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects, 100 coins is $10. there is nothing „micro“ about those prices
duckmysick 1y ago
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. I'd really love to try AMD as a daily driver. For me CUDA is the showstopper. There's really nothing comparable in the AMD camp.
- delusional 1y ago
  ROCM is, to some degree and in some areas, a pretty decent alternative. Developing with it is often times a horrible experience, but once something works, it works fine.
  - pixelesque 1y ago
    > but once something works, it works fine. Is there "forwards compatibility" to the same code working on the next cards yet like PTX provided Nvidia? Last time (4 years ago?) I looked into ROCM, you seemed to have to compile for each revision of each architecture.
    - delusional 1y ago
      I'm decently sure you have to compile separately for each architecture, and if you elect to compile for multiple architectures up front, you'll have excruciating compile times. You'd think that would be annoying, but it ends up not really mattering since AMD completely switches out the toolchain about every graphics generation anyway. That's not a good reason to not have forwards compatibility, but it is a reason. The reason I'm not completely sure is because I'm just doing this as a hobby, and I only have a single card, and that single card has never seen a revision. I think that's generally the best way to be happy with ROCM. Accept that it's at the abstraction level of embedded programming, any change in the hardware will have to result in a change in the software.
flohofwoe 1y ago
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games ...and even if you're all in on video games, there's a massive amount of really brilliant indie games on Steam that run just fine on a 1070 or 2070 (I still have my 2070 and haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet).
xg15 1y ago
> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. I'm with you - in principle. Capital-G "Gamers" who turned gaming into an identity and see themselves as the real discriminated group have fully earned the ridicule. But I think where the criticism is valid is how NVIDIA's behavior is part of the wider enshittification trend in tech. Lock-in and overpricing in entertainment software might be annoying but acceptable, but it gets problematic when we have the exact same trends in actually critical tech like phones and cars.
- hot_gril 1y ago
  There's nothing annoying about Nvidia cards though, unless of course you're using Linux.
reissbaker 1y ago
I want to love AMD, but they're just... mediocre. Worse for gaming, and much worse for ML. They're better-integrated into Linux, but given that the entire AI industry runs on: 1. Nvidia cards 2. Hooked up to Linux boxes It turns out that Nvidia tends to work pretty well on Linux too, despite the binary blob drivers. Other than gaming and ML, I'm not sure what the value of spending much on a GPU is... AMD is just in a tough spot.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Price-per-price AMD typically has better rasterization performance in comparison to nvidia. The only price point where this doesn't hold true is the very tippy top, which, I think, most people aren't at. Nvidia does have DLSS which I hear is quite good these days. But I know for me personally, I just try to buy the GPU with the best rasterization performance at my price point, which is always AMD.
dgellow 1y ago
> when they are exploited instead of just walking away and doing something else. You don’t even have to walk away. You pretty much never need the latest GPUs to have a great gaming experience
artursapek 1y ago
I just learned MTG this year because my 11 year old son got into it. I like it. How did it “go to shit”?
- zaneyard 1y ago
  If you don't care about competitive balance or the "identity" of magic it probably didn't. Long answer: the introduction of non-magic sets like SpongeBob SquarePants, Deadpool, or Assassin's Creed are seen as tasteless money grabs that dilute the quality and theme of magic even further, but fans of those things will scoop them up. The competitive scene has been pretty rough, but I haven't played constructed formats in a while so I'm not as keyed into this. I just know that there have been lots of cards released recently that have had to be banned for how powerful they were. Personally, I love the game, but I hate the business model. It's ripe for abuse and people treat cards like stocks to invest in.
  - artursapek 1y ago
    yeah I hate that Lego has been doing this too. most new sets are co-branded garbage.
- __turbobrew__ 1y ago
  Don’t let my opinion affect you, MTG is still a fun game and you should do that if you find it enjoyable — especially if your son likes it. But here is why I had a falling out: 1. The number of sets per year increased too much, there are too many cards being printed to keep up 2. Cards from new sets are pushed to be very strong (FIRE design) which means that the new cards are frequently the best cards. Combine this with the high number of new sets means the pool of best cards is always churning and you have to constantly be buying new cards to keep up. 3. Artificial scarcity in print runs means that the best cards in the new sets are very expensive. We are talking about cardboard here, it isn’t hard to simply print more sheets of a set. 4. The erosion of the brand identity and universe. MTG used to have a really nicely curated fantasy universe and things meshed together well. Now we have spongebob, deadpool, and a bunch of others in the game. It like if you put spongebob in the star wars universe, it just ruins the texture of the game. 5. Print quality of cards went way down. Older cards actually have better card stock than the new stuff. 6. Canadians MTG players get shafted. When a new set is printed stores get allocations of boxes (due to the artificial scarcity) and due to the lower player count in Canada, usually Canadian stores get much lower allocations than their USA counterparts. Additionally, MTG cards get double tariffs as they get printed outside of the USA, imported into the USA and tariffed, and then imported into Canada and tariffed again. I think the cost of MTG cards when up like 30-40% since global trade war. Overall it boils down to hasbro turning the screws on players to squeeze more money, and I am just not having it. I already spent obscene amounts of money on the game before this all happened.
scarface_74 1y ago
And even if you ignore AMD, most PCs being sold are cheap computers using whatever integrated hardware Intel is selling for graphics.
notnullorvoid 1y ago
If I hadn't bought a 3090 when they were 1k new, I likely would've switched back onto the AMD train by now. So far there hasn't been enough of a performance increase for me to upgrade either for gaming or ML. Maybe AMDs rumored 9090 will be enough to get me to open my wallet.
witnessme 1y ago
Couldn't agree more
Ashkee 1y ago
Sticking with AMD GPUs has worked well for me, especially since switching to Linux. If you want to keep track of your gaming and hobby spending without stress, using Loyally AI to monitor your habits helped me stay balanced. It’s easier to step back and focus on what really matters.
0dayz 1y ago
Amd is at times better than nvidia it's productivity where nvidia is king.
account42 1y ago
Gamers seem to be particularly bad about eating up whatever their masters serve them.
jama211 1y ago
That might work for you, but in general just hoping other consumers will stop wanting to do things because they’re starting to get exploited is hope based denial about how people work. Systematic fixes are required because as we know advocating for abstinence isn’t an effective solution ;)

nobodyandproud 1y ago

I couldn’t be more pleased with my 7900xt 20gb. Running most inference models (quantized of course) via Vulkan. Playing games using Wine and/or Steam+Proton on Linux. Sweet spot in price.

frollogaston 1y ago

Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.

rightbyte 1y ago
Steam's Wine thing works quite well. And yes you need to fiddle and do work arounds including giving up getting some games to work.
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  Yeah Proton covers a lot of titles. It’s mainly games that use the most draconian forms of anticheat that don’t work.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. Last one I ever tried was https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 with comments like "works perfectly, except multiplayer is completely broken" and the workaround has changed 3 times so far, also it lags no matter what. Gave up after stealing 4 different DLLs from Windows. It doesn't even have anticheat, it's just cause of some obscure math library.
  - surgical_fire 1y ago
    > Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks. So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. I literally never had to do that. Most tweaking I needed to do was switching proton versions here and there (which is trivial to do).
  - webstrand 1y ago
    I've been running opensuse+steam and I never had to tweak a dll to get a game running. Albeit that I don't exactly chase the latest AAA, the new releases that I have tried have worked well. Age of empires 2 used to work well, without needing any babying, so I'm not sure why it didn't for you. I will see about spinning it up.
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      It's the kind of problem where you think it's fixed, until it's not. Someone gave an expert insight last time I brought this up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44042049
  - imtringued 1y ago
    You're not supposed to "steal DLLs". You're supposed to find a proton fork like "glorious eggroll" that has patches specifically for your game.
- y-curious 1y ago
  It's Linux, what software doesn't need fiddling to work?
  - msgodel 1y ago
    Other than maybe iOS what OSes in general don't need fiddling these days to be usable?
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      Mac. And Windows evidently, even though MS treats you like dirt.
snackbroken 1y ago
Out of the 11 games I've bought through Steam this year, I've had to refund one (1) because it wouldn't run under Proton, two (2) had minor graphical glitches that didn't meaningfully affect my enjoyment of them, and two (2) had native Linux builds. Proton has gotten good enough that I've switched from spending time researching if I can play a game to just assuming that I can. Presumably ymmv depending on your taste in games of course, but I'm not interested in competitive multiplayer games with invasive anticheat which appears to be the biggest remaining pain point. My experience with running non-game windows-only programs has been similar over the past ~5 years. It really is finally the Year of the Linux Desktop, only few people seem to have noticed.
- mystified5016 1y ago
  The only games in my library at all that don't work on linux are indie games from the early 2000s, and I'm comfortable blaming the games themselves in this case. I also don't play any games that require a rootkit, so..
  - globalnode 1y ago
    good move, thats why i treat my windows install as a dumb game box, they can steal whatever data they want from that i dont care. i do my real work on linux, as far away from windows as i can possibly get.
    - theshackleford 1y ago
      Same way I treat my windows machine, but also the reason I wont be swapping it to linux any time soon. I use different operating systems for different purposes for a reason. It's great for fompartmentalization. When I am in front of windows, I know I can permit myself to relax, breath easy and let off some steam. When I am not, I know I am there to learn/earn a living/produce something etc. Most probably do not need this, but my brain does, or I would never switch off.
      - duckmysick 1y ago
surgical_fire 1y ago
> It does sorta require Windows. The vast majority of my gaming library runs fine on Linux. Older games might run better than on Windows, in fact.
- JeremyNT 1y ago
  True for single player, but if you're into multiplayer games anti-cheat is an issue.
  - surgical_fire 1y ago
    If a game requires invasive anticheat, it is probably something I won't enjoy playing. Most likely the game will be full of cheaters anyway. And yes, I rarely play anything online multiplayer.
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    - frollogaston 1y ago
      So you have a specifically Linux-friendly game library
  - akimbostrawman 1y ago
    multiplayer games with anti cheat are the minority and of those about 40% do work areweanticheatyet.com
esseph 1y ago
Proton/Steam/ Linux works damn nearly flawlessly for /most/ games. I've gone through a Nvidia 2060, a 4060, and now an AMD 6700 XT. No issues even for release titles at launch.
- jabwd 1y ago
  What version of Linux do you run for that? I've had issues getting Fedora or Ubuntu or Mint to work with my Xbox controller + Bluetooth card combo, somehow Bazzite doesn't have these issues even though its based on Fedora and I don't know what I did wrong with the other distros.

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bob1029 1y ago

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it. I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

Finnucane 1y ago
Same here. I got mine five years ago when I needed to upgrade my workstation to do work-from-home, and it's been entirely adequate since then. I switched the CPU from an AMD 3900 to a 5900, but that's the only upgrade. The differences from one generation to the next are pretty marginal.
leoapagano 1y ago
Same here - actually, my PC broke in early 2024 and I still haven't fixed it. I quickly found out that without gaming, I no longer have any use for my PC, so now I just do everything on my MacBook.
nicce 1y ago
> I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade. Same boat. I have 5700XT as well and since 2023, used mostly my Mac for gaming.
pshirshov 1y ago
PCI reset bug makes it necessary to upgrade to 6xxx series at least.
__turbobrew__ 1y ago
Im a reformed gaming addict as well and mostly play games over 10 years old, and am happy to keep doing that.
Mars008 1y ago
Still have 2080 RTX on primary desktop, it's more than enough for GUI. Just got PRO 6000 96GB for models tuning/training/etc. The cheapest 'good enough' for my needs option.

surgical_fire 1y ago

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My main hobby is videogames, but since I can consistently play most games on Linux (that has good AMD support), it doesn't really matter.

kassner 1y ago
Steam+Proton has been so incredibly good in the last year that I’m yet to install Windows on my gaming PC. I really do recommend anyone to try out that option first.
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  Also, I've been using Lutris to install things from GoG or even standalone games. Pretty straight forward to manage what proton version to use for each there. After 3 years, I haven't missed Windows a single day.

mathiaspoint 1y ago

AMD isn't even bad at video games, it's just pytorch that doesn't work so well.

kyrra 1y ago
Frame per watt they aren't as good. But they are still decent.
- msgodel 1y ago
  TCO per FPS is almost certainly cheaper.
- trynumber9 1y ago
  They seem to be close? The RX 9070 is the 2nd most efficient graphics card this generation according to TechPowerUp and they also do well when limited to 60Hz, implying their joules per frame isn't bad either. Efficiency: https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-oc/images/energy-efficiency.png https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-o... Vsync power draw: https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-oc/images/power-vsync.png https://tpucdn.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-5050-gaming-o... The variance within Nvidia's line-up is much larger than the variance between brands, anyway.
  - docmars 1y ago
    The RX 9070XT goes toe-to-toe with the RTX 4080 in many benchmarks, and costs around 2/3 MSRP. I'd say that's a pretty big win!
  - tankenmate 1y ago
    I run 9070s (non XT) and in combination with under-volting it is very efficient in both joules per frame and joules per token. And in terms of purchase price it was a steal compared to similar class of NVidia cards.
- Mithriil 1y ago
  Did you read the article? One of the points is that frames are not a good metric anymore for NVIDIA, since they push the idea that gaming NEEDS AI-generated frames and bullies reviewers to include TAA, DLSS and other frame-boosting techs when giving framerates.

darkoob12 1y ago

I am not a gamer and don't why AMD GPUs aren't good enough. It's weird since both Xbox and PlayStation are using AMD GPUs. I guess there games that you can only play on PC with Nvidia graphics. That begs the question why someone create a game and ignore large console market.

PoshBreeze 1y ago
Nvidia is the high end, AMD is the mid segment and Intel is the low end. In reality I am playing 4K on HellDivers with 50-60FPS on a 6800XT. Traditionally the NVIDIA drivers have been more stable on Windows than the AMD drivers. I choose an AMD card because I wanted a hassle free experience on Linux (well as much as you can).
ErrorNoBrain 1y ago
ive used an amd card for a couple years its been great. flawless in fact.
- sfn42 1y ago
  Same. Bought a 6950xt for like $800ish or something like that a few years ago and it's been perfect. Runs any game I want to play on ultra 1440p with good fps. No issues. Maybe there's a difference for the people who buy the absolute top end cards but I don't. I look for best value and when I looked into it amd looked better to me. Also got an amd CPU which has aso been great.
senko 1y ago
> AMD GPUs aren't good enough. Software. AMD has traditionally been really bad at their drivers. (They also missed the AI train and are trying to catch up). I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices.
- rewgs 1y ago
  > I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices. Err, what? While you're right about Intel integrated GPUs being a safe choice, AMD has long since been the GPU of choice for Linux -- it just works. Whereas Nvidia on Linux has been flaky for as long as I can remember.

stodor89 1y ago

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. I think more and more people will realize games are a waste of time for them and go on to find other hobbies. As a game developer, it kinda worries me. As a gamer, I can't wait for gaming to be a niche thing again, haha.

esseph 1y ago
"it's just a fad" Nah. Games will always be around.
- stodor89 1y ago
  Of course they will. People play since before they were people.
whatevertrevor 1y ago
The games industry is now bigger than the movies industry. I think you're very wrong about this, as games are engaging in a way other consumption based media simply cannot replicate.
- padjo 1y ago
  I played video games since I was a teenager. Loved them, was obsessed with them. Then sometime around 40 I just gave up. Not because of life pressure or lack of time but because I just started to find them really boring and unfulfilling. Now I’d much rather watch movies or read. I don’t know if the games changed or I changed.
  - whatevertrevor 1y ago
    I get that, I go through periods of falling in and out of them too after having grown up with them. But there is a huge fraction of my age group (and a little older) that have consistently had games as their main "consumption" hobby throughout. And then there's the age group younger than me, for whom games are not only a hobby but also a "social place to be", I doubt they'll be dropping gaming entirely easily.

klipklop 1y ago

You are certainly right that this group has little spending self-control. There is no limit just about to how abusive companies like Hasbro, Nvidia and Nintendo can be and still rake in record sales. They will complain endlessly about the price of a RTX 5090 and still rush out to buy it. I know people that own these high end cards as a flex, but their lives are too busy to actually play games.

kevincox 1y ago
I'm not saying that these companies aren't charging "fair" prices (whatever that means) but for many hardcore gamers their spending per hour is tiny compared to other forms of entertainment. They may buyba $100 game and play to for over 100 hours. Maybe add another $1/hour for the console. Compared to someone who frequents the cinema goes to the pub or does many other common hobbies and it can be hard to say that games are getting screwed. Now it is hard to draw a straight comparison. Gamers may spend a lot more time playing so $/h isn't a perfect metric. And some will frequently buy new games or worse things like microtransactions which quickly skyrocket the cost. But overall it doesn't seem like the most expensive hobby, especially if you are trying to spend less.
- dgellow 1y ago
  Off-topic: micro transactions are just digital transactions. There is nothing micro about them. I really wish that term would just die
  - hot_gril 1y ago
    Probably called that because it's smaller than the transaction of buying the game
    - dgellow 1y ago
      You would think so, but that’s not how the term has been used for over a decade. It has always been a marketing tool. Any in game transaction is called micro transactions. For what it’s worth most games with so called micro transactions are free. Look at https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects, 100 coins is $10. there is nothing „micro“ about those prices

duckmysick 1y ago

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. I'd really love to try AMD as a daily driver. For me CUDA is the showstopper. There's really nothing comparable in the AMD camp.

delusional 1y ago
ROCM is, to some degree and in some areas, a pretty decent alternative. Developing with it is often times a horrible experience, but once something works, it works fine.
- pixelesque 1y ago
  > but once something works, it works fine. Is there "forwards compatibility" to the same code working on the next cards yet like PTX provided Nvidia? Last time (4 years ago?) I looked into ROCM, you seemed to have to compile for each revision of each architecture.
  - delusional 1y ago
    I'm decently sure you have to compile separately for each architecture, and if you elect to compile for multiple architectures up front, you'll have excruciating compile times. You'd think that would be annoying, but it ends up not really mattering since AMD completely switches out the toolchain about every graphics generation anyway. That's not a good reason to not have forwards compatibility, but it is a reason. The reason I'm not completely sure is because I'm just doing this as a hobby, and I only have a single card, and that single card has never seen a revision. I think that's generally the best way to be happy with ROCM. Accept that it's at the abstraction level of embedded programming, any change in the hardware will have to result in a change in the software.

flohofwoe 1y ago

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games ...and even if you're all in on video games, there's a massive amount of really brilliant indie games on Steam that run just fine on a 1070 or 2070 (I still have my 2070 and haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet).

xg15 1y ago

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. I'm with you - in principle. Capital-G "Gamers" who turned gaming into an identity and see themselves as the real discriminated group have fully earned the ridicule. But I think where the criticism is valid is how NVIDIA's behavior is part of the wider enshittification trend in tech. Lock-in and overpricing in entertainment software might be annoying but acceptable, but it gets problematic when we have the exact same trends in actually critical tech like phones and cars.

hot_gril 1y ago
There's nothing annoying about Nvidia cards though, unless of course you're using Linux.

reissbaker 1y ago

I want to love AMD, but they're just... mediocre. Worse for gaming, and much worse for ML. They're better-integrated into Linux, but given that the entire AI industry runs on: 1. Nvidia cards 2. Hooked up to Linux boxes It turns out that Nvidia tends to work pretty well on Linux too, despite the binary blob drivers. Other than gaming and ML, I'm not sure what the value of spending much on a GPU is... AMD is just in a tough spot.

const_cast 1y ago
Price-per-price AMD typically has better rasterization performance in comparison to nvidia. The only price point where this doesn't hold true is the very tippy top, which, I think, most people aren't at. Nvidia does have DLSS which I hear is quite good these days. But I know for me personally, I just try to buy the GPU with the best rasterization performance at my price point, which is always AMD.

dgellow 1y ago

> when they are exploited instead of just walking away and doing something else. You don’t even have to walk away. You pretty much never need the latest GPUs to have a great gaming experience

artursapek 1y ago

I just learned MTG this year because my 11 year old son got into it. I like it. How did it “go to shit”?

zaneyard 1y ago
If you don't care about competitive balance or the "identity" of magic it probably didn't. Long answer: the introduction of non-magic sets like SpongeBob SquarePants, Deadpool, or Assassin's Creed are seen as tasteless money grabs that dilute the quality and theme of magic even further, but fans of those things will scoop them up. The competitive scene has been pretty rough, but I haven't played constructed formats in a while so I'm not as keyed into this. I just know that there have been lots of cards released recently that have had to be banned for how powerful they were. Personally, I love the game, but I hate the business model. It's ripe for abuse and people treat cards like stocks to invest in.
- artursapek 1y ago
  yeah I hate that Lego has been doing this too. most new sets are co-branded garbage.
__turbobrew__ 1y ago
Don’t let my opinion affect you, MTG is still a fun game and you should do that if you find it enjoyable — especially if your son likes it. But here is why I had a falling out: 1. The number of sets per year increased too much, there are too many cards being printed to keep up 2. Cards from new sets are pushed to be very strong (FIRE design) which means that the new cards are frequently the best cards. Combine this with the high number of new sets means the pool of best cards is always churning and you have to constantly be buying new cards to keep up. 3. Artificial scarcity in print runs means that the best cards in the new sets are very expensive. We are talking about cardboard here, it isn’t hard to simply print more sheets of a set. 4. The erosion of the brand identity and universe. MTG used to have a really nicely curated fantasy universe and things meshed together well. Now we have spongebob, deadpool, and a bunch of others in the game. It like if you put spongebob in the star wars universe, it just ruins the texture of the game. 5. Print quality of cards went way down. Older cards actually have better card stock than the new stuff. 6. Canadians MTG players get shafted. When a new set is printed stores get allocations of boxes (due to the artificial scarcity) and due to the lower player count in Canada, usually Canadian stores get much lower allocations than their USA counterparts. Additionally, MTG cards get double tariffs as they get printed outside of the USA, imported into the USA and tariffed, and then imported into Canada and tariffed again. I think the cost of MTG cards when up like 30-40% since global trade war. Overall it boils down to hasbro turning the screws on players to squeeze more money, and I am just not having it. I already spent obscene amounts of money on the game before this all happened.

scarface_74 1y ago

And even if you ignore AMD, most PCs being sold are cheap computers using whatever integrated hardware Intel is selling for graphics.

notnullorvoid 1y ago

If I hadn't bought a 3090 when they were 1k new, I likely would've switched back onto the AMD train by now. So far there hasn't been enough of a performance increase for me to upgrade either for gaming or ML. Maybe AMDs rumored 9090 will be enough to get me to open my wallet.

witnessme 1y ago

Couldn't agree more

Ashkee 1y ago

Sticking with AMD GPUs has worked well for me, especially since switching to Linux. If you want to keep track of your gaming and hobby spending without stress, using Loyally AI to monitor your habits helped me stay balanced. It’s easier to step back and focus on what really matters.

0dayz 1y ago

Amd is at times better than nvidia it's productivity where nvidia is king.

account42 1y ago

Gamers seem to be particularly bad about eating up whatever their masters serve them.

jama211 1y ago

That might work for you, but in general just hoping other consumers will stop wanting to do things because they’re starting to get exploited is hope based denial about how people work. Systematic fixes are required because as we know advocating for abstinence isn’t an effective solution ;)