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i think what contributes the most to my sense of dread is the feeling that if you were to tell these decision makers in govt right now "but this'll kill people!

by nektro 1y ago

i think what contributes the most to my sense of dread is the feeling that if you were to tell these decision makers in govt right now "but this'll kill people!" they'd respond "good"

jmholla 1y ago
They don't care about people. Senator Joni Ernst when told that people would die due from the spending bill responded with, "Well, we are all going to die."
- mandeepj 1y ago
  > Senator Joni Ernst when told that people would die due from the spending bill responded with, "Well, we are all going to die." reply Well, how many times has she seen a doctor in her life so far? Of course, more than one. Then, why did she do that if she is eventually going to die one day?
  - rescripting 1y ago
    Because she doesn’t see herself as “one of them”. She is the living embodiment of the Lord Farquaad meme: “Some of you are going to die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take”
- bix6 1y ago
  And then doubled down with a later Instagram post making fun of everyone. How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable.
  - Ylpertnodi 1y ago
    >How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable. Voters are stupid?
    - ryandrake 1y ago
      They’re not stupid. These voters see government as a means to enact cruelty on outgroups they don’t like. That’s why they vote for cruel people who don’t care about hurting others. They are not stupid. They know exactly what they are voting for and are overwhelmingly supportive if it.
      - AlecSchueler 1y ago
        That sounds so incredibly short sighted I think it could still be reasonably described as stupid.
        ryandrake 1y ago
        We shouldn’t excuse these voters as merely stupid, like they’re just innocently ignorant or uninformed. They are deliberately malevolent, and vote specifically for cruel, terrible politicians because they, themselves are cruel and terrible people and desire such representation. And they are not just supporting cruelty. They are cheering and screaming for it. They want more.
        SantalBlush 1y ago
        I feel like my understanding of politics dramatically improved once I considered that some voters are malevolent. Some voters consciously support inhumane policies, but due to social pressure, they feel that they can't be truthful about it. So they will claim to be in favor of more socially acceptable policies, but vote against those policies giving some nonsensical reason, and it gives the appearance of stupidity.
        AlecSchueler 1y ago
        It's no excuse at all, just pointing out that the malevolent/stupid dichotomy is a false one.
      - ModernMech 1y ago
        I've spent some time reading r/leopardsatemyface, and there's just an unending stream of people who say something like "I didn't vote for this. I voted to inflict this cruelty upon other people, but now that it's coming for me I'm upset. Please redirect this toward people who deserve it. That being said I still support Trump." This quote from 2019 really sums it up: “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this... I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” [1] The "good thing" he needs to do to according to this voter is "hurt people who deserve it". I've honestly tried to avoid this conclusion for years, thinking there has to be more to it, but at long last it seems there's not. People want to hurt other people, and they see Trump as their vehicle to do so, because that's what he promises; "I am your justice...I am your retribution" was his literal campaign pitch. [2] [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/tr... [2] https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/former-pres-trump-i-am-your-justicei-am-your-retribution/5060238 https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/former-pres-trump-...
  - FergusArgyll 1y ago
    > How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable. Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism - the system that made the US the country they love. I never hear growth-minded solutions for climate change: Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC? Drug companies make enough money so even poor Africans can afford medicines and theraputics? Deregulate the solar industry? Reduce regulatory barriers for autonomous vehicles? Fast track nuclear power? Stop the fight against ride-sharing? If the problem was climate change & it was a severe existential issue, I'd assume you'd support all of the above?
    - HelloMcFly 1y ago
      > Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism Is this really what you think? That the people concerned about climate change are really just interested in changing economic policy? The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts. > Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC This "proposal" does nothing, and in fact makes things worse, if that AC is not clean energy! Your "growth-minded" solution is not only not a solution, it's a problem exacerbator. But yes, many of us do in fact advocate for deregulation of the solar industry (I have canvassed on this very issue), and support fast tracking nuclear power. And is there even a fight against ride-sharing to stop? I just feel like your comment is coming from a different world than my own.
      - dmix 1y ago
        > The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts. Is that really controversial? Reducing consumption and crippling new economic developments like mining/pipelines/logging/large construction projects etc has always been a huge part of environmentalist movement. Even here in Canada whose economy depends heavily on oil, lumber, and mines...One of the biggest responses to US aggression is to try to reverse that as opposed to years our of GDP growth declining in favour of climate activism and interference by native groups stopping any new projects. You can't even build a road in BC without activists stopping it. idk about the US but it's hard to find any industry not impacted by it here.
morkalork 1y ago
>I really don't care, do you?
ramchip 1y ago
It's not even hypothetical: https://www.latintimes.com/trump-ally-slammed-saying-alligators-everglades-detention-center-are-guaranteed-least-65-586091 https://www.latintimes.com/trump-ally-slammed-saying-alligat...
- amelius 1y ago
  At least we know what to do with the guy when he finally gets convicted.
mikrotikker 1y ago
I guess they're looking at that $20 trillion in debt and saying "if we want to survive war with china we need to cut the fat and pour everything into war r&d, if we survive the war we can think about climate change again". That's my most optimistic interpretation of it.

by nektro 1y ago

i think what contributes the most to my sense of dread is the feeling that if you were to tell these decision makers in govt right now "but this'll kill people!" they'd respond "good"

jmholla 1y ago

They don't care about people. Senator Joni Ernst when told that people would die due from the spending bill responded with, "Well, we are all going to die."

mandeepj 1y ago
> Senator Joni Ernst when told that people would die due from the spending bill responded with, "Well, we are all going to die." reply Well, how many times has she seen a doctor in her life so far? Of course, more than one. Then, why did she do that if she is eventually going to die one day?
- rescripting 1y ago
  Because she doesn’t see herself as “one of them”. She is the living embodiment of the Lord Farquaad meme: “Some of you are going to die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take”
bix6 1y ago
And then doubled down with a later Instagram post making fun of everyone. How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable.
- Ylpertnodi 1y ago
  >How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable. Voters are stupid?
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    They’re not stupid. These voters see government as a means to enact cruelty on outgroups they don’t like. That’s why they vote for cruel people who don’t care about hurting others. They are not stupid. They know exactly what they are voting for and are overwhelmingly supportive if it.
    - AlecSchueler 1y ago
      That sounds so incredibly short sighted I think it could still be reasonably described as stupid.
      - ryandrake 1y ago
        We shouldn’t excuse these voters as merely stupid, like they’re just innocently ignorant or uninformed. They are deliberately malevolent, and vote specifically for cruel, terrible politicians because they, themselves are cruel and terrible people and desire such representation. And they are not just supporting cruelty. They are cheering and screaming for it. They want more.
        SantalBlush 1y ago
        I feel like my understanding of politics dramatically improved once I considered that some voters are malevolent. Some voters consciously support inhumane policies, but due to social pressure, they feel that they can't be truthful about it. So they will claim to be in favor of more socially acceptable policies, but vote against those policies giving some nonsensical reason, and it gives the appearance of stupidity.
        AlecSchueler 1y ago
        It's no excuse at all, just pointing out that the malevolent/stupid dichotomy is a false one.
    - ModernMech 1y ago
      I've spent some time reading r/leopardsatemyface, and there's just an unending stream of people who say something like "I didn't vote for this. I voted to inflict this cruelty upon other people, but now that it's coming for me I'm upset. Please redirect this toward people who deserve it. That being said I still support Trump." This quote from 2019 really sums it up: “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this... I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” [1] The "good thing" he needs to do to according to this voter is "hurt people who deserve it". I've honestly tried to avoid this conclusion for years, thinking there has to be more to it, but at long last it seems there's not. People want to hurt other people, and they see Trump as their vehicle to do so, because that's what he promises; "I am your justice...I am your retribution" was his literal campaign pitch. [2] [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/tr... [2] https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/former-pres-trump-i-am-your-justicei-am-your-retribution/5060238 https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/former-pres-trump-...
- FergusArgyll 1y ago
  > How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable. Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism - the system that made the US the country they love. I never hear growth-minded solutions for climate change: Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC? Drug companies make enough money so even poor Africans can afford medicines and theraputics? Deregulate the solar industry? Reduce regulatory barriers for autonomous vehicles? Fast track nuclear power? Stop the fight against ride-sharing? If the problem was climate change & it was a severe existential issue, I'd assume you'd support all of the above?
  - HelloMcFly 1y ago
    > Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism Is this really what you think? That the people concerned about climate change are really just interested in changing economic policy? The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts. > Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC This "proposal" does nothing, and in fact makes things worse, if that AC is not clean energy! Your "growth-minded" solution is not only not a solution, it's a problem exacerbator. But yes, many of us do in fact advocate for deregulation of the solar industry (I have canvassed on this very issue), and support fast tracking nuclear power. And is there even a fight against ride-sharing to stop? I just feel like your comment is coming from a different world than my own.
    - dmix 1y ago
      > The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts. Is that really controversial? Reducing consumption and crippling new economic developments like mining/pipelines/logging/large construction projects etc has always been a huge part of environmentalist movement. Even here in Canada whose economy depends heavily on oil, lumber, and mines...One of the biggest responses to US aggression is to try to reverse that as opposed to years our of GDP growth declining in favour of climate activism and interference by native groups stopping any new projects. You can't even build a road in BC without activists stopping it. idk about the US but it's hard to find any industry not impacted by it here.

morkalork 1y ago

>I really don't care, do you?

ramchip 1y ago

It's not even hypothetical: https://www.latintimes.com/trump-ally-slammed-saying-alligators-everglades-detention-center-are-guaranteed-least-65-586091 https://www.latintimes.com/trump-ally-slammed-saying-alligat...

amelius 1y ago
At least we know what to do with the guy when he finally gets convicted.

mikrotikker 1y ago

I guess they're looking at that $20 trillion in debt and saying "if we want to survive war with china we need to cut the fat and pour everything into war r&d, if we survive the war we can think about climate change again". That's my most optimistic interpretation of it.