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Advocating for a centralised economy isn't actually common on the left. Most people advocate for Nordic inspired democratic socialism or social democracy. A fai

Advocating for a centralised economy isn't actually common on the left. Most people advocate for Nordic inspired democratic socialism or social democracy. A fair number advocate for various forms of anarchism (e.g. worker owned collectives). Advocates for a Soviet style centralised economy exist, but they aren't common.

BobaFloutist 1y ago
Do you think all the people saying capitalism is the problem are advocating Nordic-style Social Democracy (with capitalism intact but regulated)? Is that why they keep quoting Marx?
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  The Marxist critique of capitalism (the specific real world system dominant in the deceloped West at the time Marx wrote) is quite popular among people whose end goal is not Leninist state capitalism. Marx himself, prescriptively, wasn’t all to specific beyond the distant end-goal stateless system and the immediate next steps in contemporary states (particularly, in terms of a detailed agenda, Germany, but he made some commentary on some steps other places.) But even where he was, plenty of people that share his critique of capitalism either don’t see his intermediate term prescriptions as realistic areas of concern for organizing current effort, or don't see them as mevessarily desirable at all.
rmah 1y ago
Yet the left (democratic party) nominated a self-avowed socialist for the next NYC mayoral race. One who literally talks about seizing the means of production and opening city-owned groceries that won't have to pay rent. Let's see how it goes.
- Daishiman 1y ago
  Like the existing state-owned liquor stores in many states?
  - 15155 1y ago
    > Like the existing state-owned liquor stores in many states? State-owned liquor stores pay rent or own property. Grocery stores are a business with 5%-8% margins, how much more should they cede?
  - _heimdall 1y ago
    Are we to assume that because governments run liquor stores any other industry is fair game as well. The more simple question in my opinion is whether state run liquor stores are an overreach. The industry is already heavily regulated as it is, state stores sure seems like anticompetitive behavior.

BobaFloutist 1y ago

Do you think all the people saying capitalism is the problem are advocating Nordic-style Social Democracy (with capitalism intact but regulated)? Is that why they keep quoting Marx?

dragonwriter 1y ago
The Marxist critique of capitalism (the specific real world system dominant in the deceloped West at the time Marx wrote) is quite popular among people whose end goal is not Leninist state capitalism. Marx himself, prescriptively, wasn’t all to specific beyond the distant end-goal stateless system and the immediate next steps in contemporary states (particularly, in terms of a detailed agenda, Germany, but he made some commentary on some steps other places.) But even where he was, plenty of people that share his critique of capitalism either don’t see his intermediate term prescriptions as realistic areas of concern for organizing current effort, or don't see them as mevessarily desirable at all.

rmah 1y ago

Yet the left (democratic party) nominated a self-avowed socialist for the next NYC mayoral race. One who literally talks about seizing the means of production and opening city-owned groceries that won't have to pay rent. Let's see how it goes.

Daishiman 1y ago
Like the existing state-owned liquor stores in many states?
- 15155 1y ago
  > Like the existing state-owned liquor stores in many states? State-owned liquor stores pay rent or own property. Grocery stores are a business with 5%-8% margins, how much more should they cede?
- _heimdall 1y ago
  Are we to assume that because governments run liquor stores any other industry is fair game as well. The more simple question in my opinion is whether state run liquor stores are an overreach. The industry is already heavily regulated as it is, state stores sure seems like anticompetitive behavior.