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Just a warning, the license [1] specifically blocks EU use: > 3. Conditions for License Grant. You represent and warrant that You will not, access, download, i
by ssddanbrown 1y ago
Just a warning, the license [1] specifically blocks EU use:
> 3. Conditions for License Grant. You represent and warrant that You will not, access, download, install, run, deploy, integrate, modify, or otherwise use the Model, directly or indirectly, within the European Union.
[1] https://gitcode.com/ascend-tribe/pangu-pro-moe-model/blob/main/LICENSE https://gitcode.com/ascend-tribe/pangu-pro-moe-model/blob/ma...
- pfortuny 1y agoWow this is a huge caveat: a guarantee that they are using data and not complying with GDPR.
- imiric 1y agoShocking. At least they acknowledge it.
- 2Gkashmiri 1y agoIf you download to your PC and run locally, what will happen?
- rusk 1y agoThe same thing that usually happens when you violate TOC … Probably safe enough on your own computer, but could have consequences if it’s a work computer.
- 2Gkashmiri 1y ago>could have consequences if it’s a work computer. consequences for employer who "might" get a license audit done on their machines. does it really happen so often that a random employer in the eu would have to be concerned?
- rusk 1y agoconsequences for you when you unwittingly open up a back door or expose your organisation to a data breach
- viraptor 1y agoYou'll be both breaking their licence and potentially your local European data laws.
- lukan 1y ago" potentially your local European data laws." If run locally, why?
- johnisgood 1y agoI called him out in another thread. It makes absolutely no sense. He is talking against himself, judging by his comments. To answer your question, he modified my comment (see the parentheses): "> The point is, who gives a damn about (doing an illegal thing) in reality, on their (private property where nobody is likely to see that)?" So... at best what he said is purely theoretical. He admitted it himself: "nobody is likely to see that". Though I am not sure I agree with it, but then again, in reality, no one gives a fuck, at least not in Europe.
- viraptor 1y agoThere are likely multiple potential issues here, but one specific example: Processing and storage of PII without consent/authorisation is not allowed, regardless of whether you do it yourself or for others. And you can't guarantee that this model does not contain private information hoovered up by accident.
- 2Gkashmiri 1y agoso what. will they send cops after you. breaking license will do what? whats up with licenses and violations? you and me are random people on internet
- Barrin92 1y ago>breaking license will do what? The same thing breaking any license does. If you do it in your basement, nothing by definition. If you incorporate it in a service or distribute it as part of a project, well then you're on the hook. (and that is what license holders tend to care about)
- seydor 1y agoenergy consumption
- nord73 1y agoPicture your PC as a cheery little planet in the EU’s cosmic backwater, sipping a digital Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster. You download Pangu Pro MoE, hit “run,” and expect to chat with an AI wiser than Deep Thought. Instead, you’ve hailed a Vogon Demolition Fleet. Your machine starts moaning like Marvin with a hangover, your screen spews gibberish that could pass for Vogon poetry, and your poor rig might implode faster than Earth making way for a hyperspace bypass. The fallout? This AI’s sneakier than a two-headed president—it could snitch to its creators quicker than you can say “Don’t Panic.” If they spot your EU coordinates, you’re in for a galactic stink-eye, with your setup potentially bricked or your data hitchhiking to a dodgy server at the edge of the galaxy. Worse, if the code’s got a nasty streak, your PC could end up a smoking crater, reciting bad poetry in binary.
- shit_game 1y agoTo translate for those not familiar with the writings of Douglas Adams: nord is suggesting it's possible that the physical computer running this model could be used as a "hub" for potential spyware, or be overloaded with workloads that are not related to the actual task of running the model (and instead may be some form of malware performing other computational tasks). It could potentially perform data exfiltration, or act discriminatorily based on your percieved location (such as if you're located within the EU). At worst, data loss or firmware corruption/infection may be of concern in case of license violation. I'm not sure I would outright disagree that this as possible, but with some caveats. I would think the reason that the license stipulates that usage within the EU is forbidden due to the EU AI Act (here is a resource to read through it: https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/ai-act-explorer/ https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/ai-act-explorer/).
- 2Gkashmiri 1y agohow will the "open weights" know that the pc is running within EU? again, you are not talking about software that actually runs in your pc but the file that the software reads and loads into memory for its own use.
- tliltocatl 1y ago
- HSO 1y agoa siren will go off and in 10 secs your computer will explode
- sigmoid10 1y agoGDPR is not the issue here, the new AI act is. Since this is an open-weight release it is not bound by the training data disclosure rules, but it probably didn't go through the evaluation that is required above a certain number of FLOPs. That's why many recent big player model releases had a staggered release in the EU.
- seydor 1y agodoes anyone comply with gdpr & Ai act? Even for mistral i m not sure, the best we can say is "we don't know"
- waffleiron 1y agoThere is not a single AI model that fully complies with GDPR. How can you inform everyone, even those not named by actual name but otherwise identifiable, that their data is being processed and give them the ability to object when the data they train on isn’t public. Literally the same for all other open weights, this is just legal ass covering where most others don’t even do that.
- p2detar 1y agoWhat’s the reason behind this? What am I missing?
- worldsavior 1y agoThe company is Chinese, I presume that's why.
- Toritori12 1y agoIs Llama4 also chinese(0)? [0]: https://dionwiggins.substack.com/p/llama-4-is-banned-in-the-eu-open https://dionwiggins.substack.com/p/llama-4-is-banned-in-the-...
- axus 1y agoWorse, it's American!
- Iolaum 1y agoMost likely EU AI act regulations they don't see any value in bothering with.
- dr_dshiv 1y agoHence, the lack of European innovation in AI
- p2detar 1y agoI don’t agree. Tools like DeepL were and still are better than Google Translate long before chat bots became a thing. The French-made Mistral AI is pretty decent as well.
- seanw444 1y agoSaw some benchmarks recently that put Mistral well behind basically every other competitor. Don't have them on hand unfortunately.
- yard2010 1y agoThere's something nefarious about this.
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- johnisgood 1y agoAnd who thinks that, for even a second, that an European (in this case) will not download, install, and try to run this just because the LICENSE says you can't? FYI, this is not intended to be offensive to Europeans, I am European myself. That is not the point. The point is, who gives a damn about the LICENSE in reality, on their PERSONAL computer? Serious question.
- _joel 1y agoQuite a few, actually.
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- viraptor 1y agoThe licence is not there for enforcement from their side. It's a legal protection for Huawei. Essentially "We told you it's not for the EU. If you get sued don't try to put it on us." Also any company of a serious size will have lawyers interested in licences of everything you're running.
- johnisgood 1y agoI am not talking about companies. I edited my comment. Emphasis on "[their] PERSONAL" computer. I know that companies would probably not. But individuals?
- viraptor 1y ago> The point is, who gives a damn about (doing an illegal thing) in reality, on their (private property where nobody is likely to see that)? I'm not sure which part of that you find confusing. Some people will estimate benefit>risk and won't care.
- knowitnone 1y agoI doubt the Chinese ever care about licensing so I would not care about following their license