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I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet. While I yearn for the more authentic and sincere days of the internet I grew up

I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet. While I yearn for the more authentic and sincere days of the internet I grew up on, I recognize very quickly by visiting x or facebook how much it isn’t that, and hasn’t been for a long time. I think this bill is a good thing and I support it.

theshackleford 1y ago
>I think this bill is a good thing and I support it. Uhuh. >I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet. No you're not.
- Sevrene 1y ago
  Yes I am.
hilbert42 1y ago
"I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet." Same here. Early on, if I found a site interesting I'd often follow its links to other sites and so on down into places that the Establishment would deem unacceptable but I'd not worry too much about it. Nowadays, I just assume authorities of all types are hovering over every mouse click I make. Not only is this horrible but it also robbs one of one's autonomy. It won't be long before we're handing info that was once commonplace in textbooks around in secret.
frollogaston 1y ago
The AI-based version of this looks fine, the ID checks are odd though
- Sevrene 1y ago
  I can agree with that
marcus_holmes 1y ago
I don't understand why you think this bill and that phenomenon (the fact that Xitter or Facebook aren't like the old days of the internet) are connected, can you explain why you think this, please?
- Sevrene 1y ago
  Sure no worries, I can see why that's not immediately obvious to everyone. I think people see laws and institutions encroaching on the internet as removing the 'wild west' aspect that existed on the internet in the early days. I have personally felt and have heard others express, a keen sense of nostalgia for that era. To many, more developed = less wild west. People think of this legislation as increasing the complexity by going further away from that the more simple model. "Oh great, now I have to sign in to Google to view this" sort of thing. I too get annoyed at small stuff like how you can't quote search all of google anymore. Things are more complex and just... different. Social media used to be a simple feed of people who you followed and not much else. The thing is, I believe the fact it's more big and complex, the fact it's the primary place many people interact- is actually why we need to legislate it.
  - marcus_holmes 1y ago
    Again, I agree with what you're saying, but fail to see how that is affected by this bill. The bill isn't legislating against Meta, or Google, or any of the big tech companies that are making the internet a worse place. If anything, the bill entrenches their place in the whole system by using their logins to identify minors. I see nothing in this bill that will encourage the internet to be friendlier, or more creative, or less enshittified, or in any way "better". What are you seeing that I'm not?
g-b-r 1y ago
This is the account's first message here in two years
- Sevrene 1y ago
  Yes, something like that.
veeti 1y ago
Evidently the bar for valuing such things is set very low in Australia.
- Sevrene 1y ago
  Lower than you would like, maybe. I am just a single person, it's my own opinion. Where are you from? Do you speak for your entire nation?
fc417fc802 1y ago
Aren't privacy and civil liberties fundamentally at odds with centralized government issued ID checks? How can you claim to value the former while supporting a plan to require the latter? In the days before electronics were endemic, physically checking a photo ID didn't run afoul of that as long as the person checking didn't record the serial number. But that's no longer the world we live in.
Nasrudith 1y ago
Are you sure you value privacy and civil liberties then if you fall for "Think of the Children" bollocks instead of wanting to throw politicians down wells to protect children from living in a dystopia?
SturgeonsLaw 1y ago
I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet, and that's why I think this bill is horrible, is full of unintended consequences, and will be worked around by kids who care to do it.
- florkbork 1y ago
  https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=LEGISLATION;id=legislation%2Fbills%2Fr7284_aspassed%2F0001;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fbills%2Fr7284_aspassed%2F0000%22 https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.... Read the bill. Gov ID collection is just as much a violation as failing to take any action

theshackleford 1y ago

>I think this bill is a good thing and I support it. Uhuh. >I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet. No you're not.

Sevrene 1y ago
Yes I am.

hilbert42 1y ago

"I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet." Same here. Early on, if I found a site interesting I'd often follow its links to other sites and so on down into places that the Establishment would deem unacceptable but I'd not worry too much about it. Nowadays, I just assume authorities of all types are hovering over every mouse click I make. Not only is this horrible but it also robbs one of one's autonomy. It won't be long before we're handing info that was once commonplace in textbooks around in secret.

frollogaston 1y ago

The AI-based version of this looks fine, the ID checks are odd though

Sevrene 1y ago
I can agree with that

marcus_holmes 1y ago

I don't understand why you think this bill and that phenomenon (the fact that Xitter or Facebook aren't like the old days of the internet) are connected, can you explain why you think this, please?

Sevrene 1y ago
Sure no worries, I can see why that's not immediately obvious to everyone. I think people see laws and institutions encroaching on the internet as removing the 'wild west' aspect that existed on the internet in the early days. I have personally felt and have heard others express, a keen sense of nostalgia for that era. To many, more developed = less wild west. People think of this legislation as increasing the complexity by going further away from that the more simple model. "Oh great, now I have to sign in to Google to view this" sort of thing. I too get annoyed at small stuff like how you can't quote search all of google anymore. Things are more complex and just... different. Social media used to be a simple feed of people who you followed and not much else. The thing is, I believe the fact it's more big and complex, the fact it's the primary place many people interact- is actually why we need to legislate it.
- marcus_holmes 1y ago
  Again, I agree with what you're saying, but fail to see how that is affected by this bill. The bill isn't legislating against Meta, or Google, or any of the big tech companies that are making the internet a worse place. If anything, the bill entrenches their place in the whole system by using their logins to identify minors. I see nothing in this bill that will encourage the internet to be friendlier, or more creative, or less enshittified, or in any way "better". What are you seeing that I'm not?

g-b-r 1y ago

This is the account's first message here in two years

Sevrene 1y ago
Yes, something like that.

veeti 1y ago

Evidently the bar for valuing such things is set very low in Australia.

Sevrene 1y ago
Lower than you would like, maybe. I am just a single person, it's my own opinion. Where are you from? Do you speak for your entire nation?

fc417fc802 1y ago

Aren't privacy and civil liberties fundamentally at odds with centralized government issued ID checks? How can you claim to value the former while supporting a plan to require the latter? In the days before electronics were endemic, physically checking a photo ID didn't run afoul of that as long as the person checking didn't record the serial number. But that's no longer the world we live in.

Nasrudith 1y ago

Are you sure you value privacy and civil liberties then if you fall for "Think of the Children" bollocks instead of wanting to throw politicians down wells to protect children from living in a dystopia?

SturgeonsLaw 1y ago

I’m an Australian who values privacy and civil liberties more than most I meet, and that's why I think this bill is horrible, is full of unintended consequences, and will be worked around by kids who care to do it.

florkbork 1y ago
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=LEGISLATION;id=legislation%2Fbills%2Fr7284_aspassed%2F0001;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fbills%2Fr7284_aspassed%2F0000%22 https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.... Read the bill. Gov ID collection is just as much a violation as failing to take any action