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> Are you legally prevented from controlling your device The bar isnt whether it is legal or not. You know that no company can create laws, and either you're s
by bitpush 1y ago
> Are you legally prevented from controlling your device
The bar isnt whether it is legal or not. You know that no company can create laws, and either you're saying it out of ignorance, or willful ignorance.
When Walmart drives away mom and pop shops, and dominate a certain town and then hikes the prices for groceries, you cant say "but it isnt illegal to go buy groceries from elsewhere, what did we - Walmart - do wrong?"
Say it with me - monopoly rules are about consumer choice.
- _benton 1y agoThis analogy makes no sense because you are not prevented in any way from purchasing the many other devices that provide almost identical functionality. It's like complaining that Walmart hiked their prices but ignoring the fact that the mom and pop stores still exist, at a higher number compared to walmarts, and are selling the same products for cheaper. You have incredible consumer choice for phones, you can't chose to purchase a luxury phone and then complain about it.
- whstl 1y agoYou're wrong. It's like complaining that Walmart hiked their prices after they drove away all Mom and Pop stores. > I think it's perfectly fine to prevent you from having this Yes I can, legally and morally.
- _benton 1y agoThe mom and pop stores in this analogy are the multitude of devices which are not produced by Apple and provide the same features, like Android phones and phones which are trivial to flash your own custom OS and software on. So no, your analogy does not support your conclusions.
- whstl 1y agoIt is not about devices, but rather about mobile OSs. There are only two really viable ones for practical use.
- h4ck_th3_pl4n3t 1y agoYou state it is trivial to use Android as an alternative. How is the data checkout working on iOS to migrate to Android?
- happymellon 1y agoYou agree with ATT that they should never have been forced to allow other people to plug their phones in? You can always just build your own phone network if you don't like it! You are on the wrong side of history.
- socalgal2 1y agoIt has absolutely zero to do with your choice to purchase a different device. It has everything to do with hundreds of thousands of companies' right to do business with customers without Apple in the middle.
- _benton 1y agoWhat right does a company have to piggyback off of another company? Like think about this logically? Should a grocery store be forced to sell my products without receiving any of the profit? Can I force a cafe to let me serve customers on their premises without giving anything in return?
- whstl 1y ago> What right does a company have to piggyback off of another company? Apple has no right to piggybacking off of another company's business. Therefore the 30% must go.
- _benton 1y agoThey aren't piggybacking, they provide the infrastructure, marketplace, and platform.
- whstl 1y agoApple is forcing companies and users to use this infrastructure, so this is indeed Apple piggybacking and putting its hands where it shouldn't.
- Intermernet 1y agoThey explicitly prevent other companies from providing this infrastructure, marketplace and platform. Apple don't offer this stuff as a favour to developers, they demand that developers use it and prevent them from using anything else. Apple aren't some Good Samaritan providing a centralised set of services out of the goodness of their hearts, they are forcing companies to pay an exorbitant fee to be able to play in their garden, and they make billions of dollars in profit from this. Compare Apple with Steam (who also provide the infrastructure, marketplace and platform). Steam don't force developers to use their services. They're still successful, but you can get almost every game on Steam from somewhere else. This is what I'd ideally like Apple to do. It wouldn't make any difference to me, as I haven't owned or developed for Apple devices in many decades, but it would make a huge difference to many developers, and many device owners. I doubt it will actually make that much difference to Apple's profits, but it would make a difference to the rapidly declining good will they have in the developer community, and increasingly in their customers.
- maximus-decimus 1y agoIf every other teenager only uses the iMessage app, it does prevent you to purchase any other device since you'll be excluded otherwise.