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We didn’t when we got computers. We didn’t when we got calculators. Or typewriters. Or the Industrial Revolution. Or anything else. Work expands to fill availa
by MBCook 1y ago
We didn’t when we got computers. We didn’t when we got calculators. Or typewriters. Or the Industrial Revolution. Or anything else.
Work expands to fill available hours. We don’t get more leisure time. That’s not ‘allowed’.
- ainiriand 1y agoAs strange as it is hear this in this day and age, these kind of improvements bring more profits to the capital that uses them. The working class will only get any benefits through class fight and collective action, but that ship has sailed. Capitalism has won.
- collingreen 1y agoIt's never over it's just also never easy
- frantzmiccoli 1y agoTo offer (maybe European) perspective. The industrial revolution coincides more or less with when starvation started to disappear from the developed world. In many countries, holidays and PTO are a norm. I personally know a few people that choose to work 4 days a week, I know another bunch that actually retired early or simply don't jump from a job to another because they can free ride for a bit (no judgment). That also means that you 1/ have to actually prioritize leisure over money 2/ have actually something leisurely to do.
- drstewart 1y ago>To offer (maybe European) perspective. Aren't retirement ages being raised everwhere across Europe?
- deafpolygon 1y agoYes, to reflect the rising life expectancy.
- antisthenes 1y agoTo reflect a looming demographic crisis as well.
- keybored 1y ago“Europe” also has active unions.
- Ajedi32 1y agoGP's comment is also entirely true for the US. PTO and paid holidays are the norm here for full-time (salaried) work. It's not just a European thing.
- tempfile 1y agoNot exactly true. The typical work week was longer in the 1800s than in the 1900s. The limiting of the work week to 40/5 was an explicit political movement. Of course it was not reduced as a direct consequence of increased productivity, which I guess is what you meant.
- MBCook 1y agoYes. 8/8/8 and 5 days a week was a labor movement in the early 1900s. Before that labor was exploited. After that labor was exploited. We don’t seem to be willing to do that again.
- _DeadFred_ 1y agoYet. It's funny because it's coming and business is determined to make the process as adversarial as possible.
- thriifvyu67866 1y agoEven if you get time, it gets consumed by the internet or by equally silly things like shopping. Atomisation, which liberalism promotes heavily to the underclass, has all but destroyed humanity.