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This is why you don't have Google services on your phone, kids. Brought to you by a GrapheneOS fanboy.

Iolaum 1y ago
As a GraphenOS user as well - I think you can say No even with Google Apps installed in GrapheneOS.
Stiffly6471 1y ago
If my banking/payment app and my id app worked on grapheneOS i would also be using it. That the biggest issue right now. Dependency of apps on gsf
- sebtron 1y ago
  That is IMO a huge problem with these "apps". Every service that claims to be a bank should be accessible without forcing you into the Apple / Google duopoly.
- aprilnya 1y ago
  If they have some way to leave feedback, I would link them to this page - maybe they’ll listen: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide#apps-banning-grapheneos https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...
  - malka1986 1y ago
    They do not care.
    - aprilnya 1y ago
      Stop being so negative. I have seen instances of bank apps adding Graphene support after getting told about this…
      - malka1986 1y ago
        I know because i tried.
        aprilnya 1y ago
        so does that mean no one else should with their bank? I don’t see why you trying it with your bank has anything to do with me telling someone else to try it with theirs
- attendant3446 1y ago
  On Graphene, create another user and install sandboxed Google Play Services there. Don't login into Google account, use something like Aurora Store to get the apps. Most of the apps I have to use (mostly banks) work this way (I have a separate user with 5-6 apps that don't work without Google Play Services). I would prefer these apps had a standalone web version, but sometimes it's not up to you what apps you have to use :(
the_third_wave 1y ago
You don't need GrapheneOS or any other specific AOSP derivative for that, any of them will do. Just don't install any Google-specific bits on the device - use microG if you need to have something resembling Google services - and you're there. Even on stock devices with Google services you can get partly there by disabling anything you don't need, only enabling it when you happen upon some app which absolutely won't run without them but first check if you can replace that app with another or - better still - a web app which can replace it. How to disable Google services you asked? Why, using a script of course, launched from a Termux widget. Here's one way to do this, using a disable/enable script (one script, two hardlinked names) on a rooted device running some stock distribution. If you try this and your phone breaks you get to keep both pieces without extra cost - in other words this works for me but might not work for you: ~ $ cat .shortcuts/Google_Services\:enable #!/data/data/com.termux/files/usr/bin/bash PACKAGE="com.google.android.gms com.google.android.gms.policy_sidecar_aps com.google.android.gsf com.android.vending" PATH="/data/data/com.termux/files/usr/bin:$PATH" command=$(echo "$0"|cut -d: -f2) pman () { action=$1 shift for package in $@; do sudo pm $action $package done } case $command in disable|enable) pman $command $PACKAGE ;; *) echo "command '$command' not supported" ;; esac exit 0
tjpnz 1y ago
Especially if you have kids. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-csam-account-blocked https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-cs...

As a GraphenOS user as well - I think you can say No even with Google Apps installed in GrapheneOS.

If my banking/payment app and my id app worked on grapheneOS i would also be using it. That the biggest issue right now. Dependency of apps on gsf

sebtron 1y ago
That is IMO a huge problem with these "apps". Every service that claims to be a bank should be accessible without forcing you into the Apple / Google duopoly.
aprilnya 1y ago
If they have some way to leave feedback, I would link them to this page - maybe they’ll listen: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide#apps-banning-grapheneos https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...
- malka1986 1y ago
  They do not care.
  - aprilnya 1y ago
    Stop being so negative. I have seen instances of bank apps adding Graphene support after getting told about this…
    - malka1986 1y ago
      I know because i tried.
      - aprilnya 1y ago
        so does that mean no one else should with their bank? I don’t see why you trying it with your bank has anything to do with me telling someone else to try it with theirs
attendant3446 1y ago
On Graphene, create another user and install sandboxed Google Play Services there. Don't login into Google account, use something like Aurora Store to get the apps. Most of the apps I have to use (mostly banks) work this way (I have a separate user with 5-6 apps that don't work without Google Play Services). I would prefer these apps had a standalone web version, but sometimes it's not up to you what apps you have to use :(

the_third_wave 1y ago

You don't need GrapheneOS or any other specific AOSP derivative for that, any of them will do. Just don't install any Google-specific bits on the device - use microG if you need to have something resembling Google services - and you're there. Even on stock devices with Google services you can get partly there by disabling anything you don't need, only enabling it when you happen upon some app which absolutely won't run without them but first check if you can replace that app with another or - better still - a web app which can replace it. How to disable Google services you asked? Why, using a script of course, launched from a Termux widget. Here's one way to do this, using a disable/enable script (one script, two hardlinked names) on a rooted device running some stock distribution. If you try this and your phone breaks you get to keep both pieces without extra cost - in other words this works for me but might not work for you: ~ $ cat .shortcuts/Google_Services\:enable #!/data/data/com.termux/files/usr/bin/bash PACKAGE="com.google.android.gms com.google.android.gms.policy_sidecar_aps com.google.android.gsf com.android.vending" PATH="/data/data/com.termux/files/usr/bin:$PATH" command=$(echo "$0"|cut -d: -f2) pman () { action=$1 shift for package in $@; do sudo pm $action $package done } case $command in disable|enable) pman $command $PACKAGE ;; *) echo "command '$command' not supported" ;; esac exit 0

tjpnz 1y ago

Especially if you have kids. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-csam-account-blocked https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-cs...