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Here is what will be denied to NOAA, now and going forward Defense Department data also allow hurricane forecasters to see hurricanes as they form, and

Here is what will be denied to NOAA, now and going forward Defense Department data also allow hurricane forecasters to see hurricanes as they form, and monitor them in real-time. For example, hurricane experts can see where the center of a newly formed storm is, which allows them to figure out as early as possible what direction it is likely to go, and whether the storm might hit land. That's important for people in harm's way, who need as much time as possible to decide whether to evacuate, and to prepare their homes for wind and water. The public paid for this data. Deliberately siloing the data to insure it can't save American lives wouldn't just be theft, it would be an act indistinguishable from evil.

Frost1x 1y ago
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aprilthird2021 1y ago
Wow, they'll literally kill American citizens and American citizens will still overwhelmingly vote for them...
- jfengel 1y ago
  The margin wasn't overwhelming. But if you include the number of people who could have done something about it but failed to, yeah, an overwhelming number allowed it to happen. And, as far as I can tell, will continue to.
mistrial9 1y ago
> it would be ... lots of ways to fill in that part. iterating the words seems worth the effort. Thinking out loud, there are readers with frame of reference, and movements or politics-in-practice that have frames of reference, in the messaging .. So making a 2x2 square and filling it in.. you can write for the readers and refine, you can align with movements or their spokespersons and refine, all combined with you yourself representing what you are about. So to complete the exercise.. how many readers of YNews would respond to "that is evil" wording.. how many movements or politics-in-practice would say "that is evil" as part of their outfacing communications.. and how strongly to you, the writer, want to associate the concepts of "that is evil" with respect to other things that you say or think are important. I write this pedantic screed because this is so, so critical to communicate right now. The narrow rocky valley pass in which to lay an ambush, is completely in place.. the budget strings. Everyone knows that this is raw executive power in action.. it is to be, because I say so, implemented via the purse. I am not sure how much to include those backdrop statements in any impactful messaging though, because "there is no bad news in sales" and popularity or adaption is part of the task.
- mistrial9 1y ago
  oh this is great "Weather: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver"
whycombagator 1y ago
> NOAA, which oversees the National Hurricane Center, says the loss of the Defense Department data will not lead to less-accurate hurricane forecasts this year. In a statement, NOAA communications director Kim Doster said, "NOAA's data sources are fully capable of providing a complete suite of cutting-edge data and models that ensure the gold-standard weather forecasting the American people deserve."
- lurkshark 1y ago
  I wouldn’t really expect a Trump administration spokesperson to put out a statement critical of the Trump administration’s decision.
  - lenkite 1y ago
    This is Congress 2015 decision. The Trump administration extended the deadline by another month.
    - lurkshark 1y ago
      The congressional decision was to scrap the continued development of the DMSP satellites, not to decommission the existing ones or stop the data sharing arrangement. The DoD confirmed the DMSP is still operating and will continue to do so but the data sharing is what they have now decided to cut off. It also looks like one of the “next-generation” systems, the JPSS, has been ordered to operate in maintenance mode. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/amid-trump-cuts-noaa-halts-upkeep-of-critical-weather-satellites/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/amid-trump-cuts-n...
      - lenkite 1y ago
        Well, the history of the existing satellites shows that many of them have exploded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Meteorological_Satellite_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Meteorological_Satelli... AFAIK, Congress voted in 2015 to terminate the whole DMSP program. There was no mention of continuation of "data sharing" or anything like that, as you suggest. I guess in the DOGE budget cleanup of DoD, terminated programs are really being terminated instead of continuing to operate under the radar. Regarding JPSS - that article says that new JPSS satellites are scheduled to be launched. I agree that the "minimum mission operations approach" doesn't make much sense if that is the case. My guess is that this is a stupid cost cutting move that will most likely be rolled back after pushback.
whoopdedo 1y ago
>The public paid for this data. Someone should file weekly FOIA requests.
- bix6 1y ago
  Didn’t they axe everyone who handles FOIA?
renegade-otter 1y ago
Generally the outcome of voting for criminals, thieves, and conmen/women. And then people wonder why they are erecting spikes around the White House and the Treasury. The pillaging has begun.

Frost1x 1y ago

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aprilthird2021 1y ago

Wow, they'll literally kill American citizens and American citizens will still overwhelmingly vote for them...

jfengel 1y ago
The margin wasn't overwhelming. But if you include the number of people who could have done something about it but failed to, yeah, an overwhelming number allowed it to happen. And, as far as I can tell, will continue to.

mistrial9 1y ago

> it would be ... lots of ways to fill in that part. iterating the words seems worth the effort. Thinking out loud, there are readers with frame of reference, and movements or politics-in-practice that have frames of reference, in the messaging .. So making a 2x2 square and filling it in.. you can write for the readers and refine, you can align with movements or their spokespersons and refine, all combined with you yourself representing what you are about. So to complete the exercise.. how many readers of YNews would respond to "that is evil" wording.. how many movements or politics-in-practice would say "that is evil" as part of their outfacing communications.. and how strongly to you, the writer, want to associate the concepts of "that is evil" with respect to other things that you say or think are important. I write this pedantic screed because this is so, so critical to communicate right now. The narrow rocky valley pass in which to lay an ambush, is completely in place.. the budget strings. Everyone knows that this is raw executive power in action.. it is to be, because I say so, implemented via the purse. I am not sure how much to include those backdrop statements in any impactful messaging though, because "there is no bad news in sales" and popularity or adaption is part of the task.

mistrial9 1y ago
oh this is great "Weather: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver"

whycombagator 1y ago

> NOAA, which oversees the National Hurricane Center, says the loss of the Defense Department data will not lead to less-accurate hurricane forecasts this year. In a statement, NOAA communications director Kim Doster said, "NOAA's data sources are fully capable of providing a complete suite of cutting-edge data and models that ensure the gold-standard weather forecasting the American people deserve."

lurkshark 1y ago
I wouldn’t really expect a Trump administration spokesperson to put out a statement critical of the Trump administration’s decision.
- lenkite 1y ago
  This is Congress 2015 decision. The Trump administration extended the deadline by another month.
  - lurkshark 1y ago
    The congressional decision was to scrap the continued development of the DMSP satellites, not to decommission the existing ones or stop the data sharing arrangement. The DoD confirmed the DMSP is still operating and will continue to do so but the data sharing is what they have now decided to cut off. It also looks like one of the “next-generation” systems, the JPSS, has been ordered to operate in maintenance mode. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/amid-trump-cuts-noaa-halts-upkeep-of-critical-weather-satellites/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/amid-trump-cuts-n...
    - lenkite 1y ago
      Well, the history of the existing satellites shows that many of them have exploded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Meteorological_Satellite_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Meteorological_Satelli... AFAIK, Congress voted in 2015 to terminate the whole DMSP program. There was no mention of continuation of "data sharing" or anything like that, as you suggest. I guess in the DOGE budget cleanup of DoD, terminated programs are really being terminated instead of continuing to operate under the radar. Regarding JPSS - that article says that new JPSS satellites are scheduled to be launched. I agree that the "minimum mission operations approach" doesn't make much sense if that is the case. My guess is that this is a stupid cost cutting move that will most likely be rolled back after pushback.

whoopdedo 1y ago

>The public paid for this data. Someone should file weekly FOIA requests.

bix6 1y ago
Didn’t they axe everyone who handles FOIA?

renegade-otter 1y ago

Generally the outcome of voting for criminals, thieves, and conmen/women. And then people wonder why they are erecting spikes around the White House and the Treasury. The pillaging has begun.