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> JavaScript is indeed a trademark which Oracle rightfully owns these days Err, that's not a given by any stretch. This is exactly what the suit is trying to p
by mmastrac 1y ago
> JavaScript is indeed a trademark which Oracle rightfully owns these days
Err, that's not a given by any stretch. This is exactly what the suit is trying to prove. They are not a rightful holder of the trademark. They've failed to show use in commerce, and one of their examples of use was someone else's.
- moralestapia 1y agoBut it is an Oracle trademark, [1]. And here's one (trivial, but valid) use of it [2]. I'm sure Ellison lawyer's can come up with thousands of examples of JavaScript being used within the context of Oracle's business activities. The way to go is fight for genericization (or start calling it ECMAScript, lmao). 1: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseSearchType=U... 2: https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/23/mlejs/overview-javascript.html https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/2...
- vips7L 1y agoOracle develops, maintains, and sells 2 different JavaScript runtimes. They’re definitely using it.
- thayne 1y agoSo do many other entities. Oracle does not control the specification of the language (ECMA does), nor does it own rights to the original implementation (I believe Mozilla does).
- vips7L 1y agoI don’t think that matters in the context of the JavaScript trademark. Within the context of the trademark Oracle does have business developing and selling JavaScript.
- pgh 1y agoYep, and it now features as a supported language in their latest database version. That might be another reason they continue to protect the trademark.
- thayne 1y agoThey also have business developing and selling multiple SQL implementations, does that mean they should get a trademark on the name SQL?
- aDyslecticCrow 1y agoThat 2nd example is a pretty bad example of JavaScript being used as a Oracle trademark. Id argue the opposite. The wording makes no reference to oracles ownership of the product or name that is JavaScript. And ECMA is reffered to as the "maker" of the standard. If anything, this is an example by Oracle themselves using the trademark in a generic context. Its like cocacola calling themselves "a producer of fanta" and referring to a the food and drug administration to define what that means. I doubt the writer of that doc was aware that Oracle owns the JavaScript trademark.
- artursapek 1y agowow, they filed for it in 1995? that’s wayyy before Node.Js or Dahl came on the scene. Or before the language even mattered that much.
- moralestapia 1y agoYes. Even though one may not like it, the trademark fairly belongs to Oracle.
- zettabomb 1y agoAgain, that's the point of the suit. It likely does not.