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> The neighborhood was quiet. There was a chill in the air. The scent of Spanish moss hung from the cypress trees. Plumes of white smoke rose from the burning c
by nopelynopington 1y ago
> The neighborhood was quiet. There was a chill in the air. The scent of Spanish moss hung from the cypress trees. Plumes of white smoke rose from the burning cane fields and stretched across the skies of Terrebonne Parish. The man swung a long leg over a bicycle frame and pedaled off down the street.
I stopped halfway through this paragraph and just googled Peter Putnam.
If I want an article to take hours to get to the point I'll go read a recipe blog.
- verisimi 1y agoThanks. > If I want an article to take hours to get to the point I'll go read a recipe blog. I don't appreciate all the extra text in recipe blogs either.
- chrisweekly 1y agoIMHO, narrative prose in an article about someone's life is MUCH more appropriate than its use in a recipe.
- patcon 1y agoGood god, the perpetual disdain of default HN for narrative exposition is so deep-rooted. Y'all know humans are kinda "made of" stories, right? Stories are the unit layer that we add on top of biological structure. It's not "data" Imho it is essentially self-loathing of the human condition to valorise raw data and detest linear narrative as much as this crowd seems to do EDIT: Narrative is the wings, without which data cannot travel through enough of the bell curve of minds. Being anti-story is being anti-democratic is toward authoritarianism. </ hot-take>
- plemer 1y agoYou loathing others’ preferences /= them self-loathing. Presumptuous and insulting.
- cwmoore 1y agoI hate this (extremely popular) take. Narrative is suasion, not substance. The storytellers know of no other way to tell the audience what is important, so the medium is the message. EDIT: and…the trope anticlimactic downvotes seal the drama
- dzink 1y agoThe only truly scarce thing for living creatures is time. The HN crowd expects respect of that so a disclaimer would help filter people with the wrong expectations.
- patcon 1y agoI do agree, both approaches are valid to seek. Setting expectations with disclaimers would be helpful so people can enter willingly instead of perpetually critiquing via comment. I don't like a culture of bashing/minimising one approach, which I admittedly have just participated in. But in my defence, I'm in a "punching up" mode here, in the minority sense. I'd probably argue for valorising data more in an arts space. But something about the current tech world-builders not having respect for narrative makes me frustrated and afraid. How can we ever build things that account for parts of minds and life that we don't respect. (I sense a lack of respect for why and how narrative has been the vehicle of so much human progress and growth)
- cwmoore 1y agoSure, but “punching up” is also a classic copyrighting term.
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- Henchman21 1y agoPlease keep in mind that the people who are anti-story are the same folks who view human interaction as a “problem to be solved”. They’re the outliers in society who make the rest of our lives easier. But they have gained way too much power in this world and are intent on dooming us all to their cold, dark, inhuman world.
- bitwize 1y ago[flagged]
- golly_ned 1y agoHow was the comment ableist?
- bitwize 1y agoOblique references to autism and autistic individuals. Perhaps my sensitivity to such things is a little too high.
- gausswho 1y agoA million years ago around a campfire, I watched grandpa try to tell my child his favorite story. It wasn't going smoothly as he would like. I lovingly watched him persist. At some point he sighed and met my sympathetic gaze. It was time to kick embers and turn in.
- FredPret 1y agoMaybe it’s the pacing of the article that’s off. Feels like it’s wasting one’s time with self-indulgent prose. The short story in your comment, OTOH, is very much better. I can see the scene, my mind has filled in some details, and it took only a couple seconds to read.
- gausswho 1y agoI think pacing is more aptly the issue than narrative. Perhaps even more specifically, the load-bearing first couple sentences dive right into establishing a complex setting before any other context is established. Even as I may enjoy narrative, I rarely enjoy effortful fumbling around in the dark unless it's with Joseph Conrad or Vladimir Nabokov.
- vinceguidry 1y agoYou'll never cut through this attitude. It is, as you say, perpetual. HN is their safe space, hence the strong reaction you're receiving. You're going to have to learn how to operate within the mindset if you want pleasant interactions here. Learn to appreciate the dull rationalistic mental sludge. Putnam himself would feel perfectly comfortable here.
- golly_ned 1y agoThe guy who was disciplined for reading poetry on duty during WWII, who threw away his commissioned abstract sculpture would feel perfectly comfortable on a forum clearly hostile to anything that isn't a hard fact or a short thinkpiece about engineering management or an explanation of rust's reference counter?
- vinceguidry 1y agoI like to think that the things that drove him away from society and caused him to seclude himself from it are the very things this community values and seeks to protect.
- gorjusborg 1y agoThe irony is that you noped out of an article about someone whose life's worth of thought led him to believe that you can't understand how someone is right without understanding their circumstances. Your post is a sort of sad admission that your attitude will prevent you from seeing the beauty in everyone. You do you though. I am sure there is a reason you are this way ;)
- nopelynopington 1y agoI will do me but I'm future I won't tell anyone, and I think that's better for all of us
- mitthrowaway2 1y agoIt was approaching 9 AM one early summer morning, uncharacteristically cool. The city was quiet as drops of dew hang heavily from the blades of grass and the flower petals, still fresh in their memory of the visitations of bees from the day before. The only sound was the sound of typing, as a comment was posted to HN expressing support for the GP. There's a time and place for literary exposition. Maybe this magazine is the right place and most of their audience appreciates it, but it's also OK to feel put off by it when you're curious and hoping to learn something.
- patcon 1y agoHaha ok this was good. It's messy. Anyone who claims one way (myself included) is probably Very Wrong On The Internet
- bitwize 1y agoThat is indeed a take so spicy as to be shartworthy. Disliking this glurgy, fluff-laden narrative article style does not make one a soulless cryptofascist robot. One could imagine a different format for the article that front-loads the interesting bits and then delves into background detail, rather than forcing the reader to wade through pages of lit-fic-wannabe padding to get to the money shot. Articles used to be written this way all the time, but that was before writers and magazines were paid by the ad view.
- cwmoore 1y agoTake out the flying duck “sh***rthy” and you will have made an excellent series of points.
- gramie 1y agoI'm not a very critical reader*. When I read something, I don't have conversations with myself about "this could be better if..." or "the writer shouldn't have..." Instead, I accept what has been proffered and at the end decide if it had value for me. * unless I make a conscious effort to, like when I'm asked to review someone's work
- nopelynopington 1y agoNarrative is great but not everything needs a narrative. And I'll admit an article about someone who tried to reconcile the rational brain with the emotional mind is maybe such a place, but I just wasn't in the mood. Maybe I should have kept my experience to myself
- croes 1y agoBut the narrative has to be captivating. Didn’t seem to captivate OP.
- dang 1y agoCan you please make your substantive points without putting down the rest of the community? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. It's much, much (did I say much?) too easy to turn a handful of unpleasant datapoints into an entire theory-of-the-community—almost always one that presents it as somehow depraved or wretched. It's understandable, but it makes for tedious conversation. That's why that guideline is in there.
- vinceguidry 1y agoYes, the quoted section is rather overwrought, but I didn't know it was there. Why? I skimmed right over it. Your ability to take in information would be greatly improved if you can train your brain to be non-reactive to such things.
- notjoemama 1y agoI dunno, just because I know to scroll down on recipe.com doesn't mean it's not irritating each time. It's like web advertising. I can look past it most of the time but I still gravitate to sites that use less or none. I think its a valid response to a bad writing pattern.
- vinceguidry 1y agoWell, parent missed out on a lot of context that just reading Wikipedia doesn't contain.
- bryanrasmussen 1y agoIf you stopped halfway through this paragraph, how did you know what it said?
- nopelynopington 1y agoI stopped halfway, googled the guy, then came back and copied the first paragraph. It's not some great conspiracy
- bryanrasmussen 1y agoOK I figured that's what happened, I mean, interesting time saving strategy..
- golly_ned 1y ago[flagged]
- nopelynopington 1y agoGood point, it wasn't very helpful
- dang 1y agoPlease don't cross into personal attack, regardless of how wrong another user is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- southernplaces7 1y agoYet you took the time to then go to this site, open a comment box and clog up a potentially informative thread with yet another bit of "interaction optimization" bullshit over a very human, often atmospheric desire to creatively express words. Wouldn't it have been easier to just keep reading a bit longer?
- croes 1y agoInterestingly he doesn’t seems to have a wiki article, the only Peter Putman there is a bodybuilder
- mythrwy 1y agoI did the same thing except I pasted the link into GPT and had it summarize. Personally unless I'm reading fiction I don't care for backstory and setting.
- dang 1y ago"Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html