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The era of open weights from China appears to be over for some reason. It's all of a sudden and seems to be coordinated. Alibaba just shut off the Qwen release

The era of open weights from China appears to be over for some reason. It's all of a sudden and seems to be coordinated. Alibaba just shut off the Qwen releases Tencent just shut off the Hunyuan releases Bytedance just released Seedream, but it's closed It's seems like it's over. They're still clearly training on Western outputs, though. I still suspect that the strategic thing to do would be to become 100% open and sell infra/service.

pxc 1y ago
Why? And can we really say that already? Wasn't the Qwen3 release still very recent?
natrys 1y ago
> Alibaba just shut off the Qwen releases Alibaba from beginning had some series of models that are always closed-weights (*-max, *-plus, *-turbo etc. but also QvQ), It's not a new development, nor does it prevent their open models. And the VL models are opened after 2-3 months of GA in API. > Tencent just shut off the Hunyuan releases Literally released one today: https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct
- echelon 1y ago
  Hunyuan Image 2.0, which is of Flux quality but has ~20 milliseconds of inference time, is being withheld. Hunyuan 3D 2.5, which is an order of magnitude better than Hunyuan 3D 2.1, is also being withheld. I suspect that now that they feel these models are superior to Western releases in several categories, they no longer have a need to release these weights.
  - natrys 1y ago
    > I suspect that now that they feel these models are superior to Western releases in several categories, they no longer have a need to release these weights. Yes that I can totally believe. Standard corporation behaviour (Chinese or otherwise). I do think DeepSeek would be an exception to this though. But they lack diversity in focus (not even multimodal yet).
logicchains 1y ago
What do you mean Tencent just shut off the Hunyuan releases? There was another open weights release just today: https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct . And the latest Qwen and DeepSeek open weight releases were under 2 months ago, there hasn't been enough time for them to finish a new version since then.
- echelon 1y ago
  Hunyuan Image 2.0 and Hunyuan 3D 2.5 are not being released. They're being put into a closed source web-based offering.
jacooper 1y ago
Deepseek R1 0528, the flagship Chinese model is open source. Qwen3 is open source. HIdream models are also open source
amelius 1y ago
era -> fluke
WiSaGaN 1y ago
Deepseek and Alibaba just published their froniter models in open weights weeks ago. And they happen to be the leading open weights models in the world. What are you talking about?

pxc 1y ago

Why? And can we really say that already? Wasn't the Qwen3 release still very recent?

natrys 1y ago

> Alibaba just shut off the Qwen releases Alibaba from beginning had some series of models that are always closed-weights (*-max, *-plus, *-turbo etc. but also QvQ), It's not a new development, nor does it prevent their open models. And the VL models are opened after 2-3 months of GA in API. > Tencent just shut off the Hunyuan releases Literally released one today: https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct

echelon 1y ago
Hunyuan Image 2.0, which is of Flux quality but has ~20 milliseconds of inference time, is being withheld. Hunyuan 3D 2.5, which is an order of magnitude better than Hunyuan 3D 2.1, is also being withheld. I suspect that now that they feel these models are superior to Western releases in several categories, they no longer have a need to release these weights.
- natrys 1y ago
  > I suspect that now that they feel these models are superior to Western releases in several categories, they no longer have a need to release these weights. Yes that I can totally believe. Standard corporation behaviour (Chinese or otherwise). I do think DeepSeek would be an exception to this though. But they lack diversity in focus (not even multimodal yet).

logicchains 1y ago

What do you mean Tencent just shut off the Hunyuan releases? There was another open weights release just today: https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct https://huggingface.co/tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct . And the latest Qwen and DeepSeek open weight releases were under 2 months ago, there hasn't been enough time for them to finish a new version since then.

echelon 1y ago
Hunyuan Image 2.0 and Hunyuan 3D 2.5 are not being released. They're being put into a closed source web-based offering.

jacooper 1y ago

Deepseek R1 0528, the flagship Chinese model is open source. Qwen3 is open source. HIdream models are also open source

amelius 1y ago

era -> fluke

WiSaGaN 1y ago

Deepseek and Alibaba just published their froniter models in open weights weeks ago. And they happen to be the leading open weights models in the world. What are you talking about?