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Apple is already a big, festering, malignant growth. The EU needs to jump in with both feet to let all that pus out.

by lofaszvanitt 1y ago

owebmaster 1y ago
And I hope Brazil joins
IncreasePosts 1y ago
Maybe they need to come in with a scalpel. I feel like using your feet is just kind of gross for that task.
scottyah 1y ago
But they're basically the only large scale consumer computational hardware company driving actual, stable innovation?
- simplyinfinity 1y ago
  What have they innovated in the last 10 years?
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    I'm not an Apple fan by any means. But I think it's fair to say that Apple Silicon and actually useful ARM-powered laptops was a major hardware innovation.
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      It kinda feels like Apple Silicon was the exception to the rule. And even then, a lot of the innovation is hardly Apple's to claim: - ARM is not Apple IP, it's owned by SoftBank and licensed to Apple at rates low enough that it's impossible to undercut them. - TSMC's 5nm manufacturing capacity was entirely bought-out for Apple Silicon, blocking other OEMs from competing on equal footing. - The SOC team, who arguably did the most innovation of all, was gutted with the founding of Nuvia immediately after Apple Silicon's launch.
      - seec 1y ago
        Couldn't agree more. And recently they have mostly increased frequency to stay competitive, at the expense of heat, throttling and to a minor extent battery life (not that much because some efficiency was gained elsewhere). They look good on specific workflows because they are focused on specific accelerators and code path optimisation that they know is more beneficial to the way most of their customers use their hardware. But their lead is hardly uniform and there are still plenty of things where they are barely doing better than intel, if at all. And their GPUs that are supposedly good don't perform that well outside of benchmarks, efficient, surely but not exactly something to rave about. When you look at it from a high vantage point, there have been a lot of compromises to be made to get mostly efficiency/battery life, the transition wasn't cheap and some stuff will forever stay stuck. With the progress of Intel/AMD it doesn't feel like that big of a win. And this is also why ARM isn't working so well on the Windows side. So much to give up for not that significant gains. At least we know it was mostly about architecture optimisation and access to better lithography processes. Eventually they will all converge to similar performances and we will regret the code compatibility. Some big software houses (like Autodesk) basically got vindicated for not building software for macOS, it's not a really good sentiment for the Mac long term. It's not clear if any of it matters because clearly, they would rather sell iPads with a software distribution monopoly in the form of their App Store. Maybe with EU ruling they will change their mind, but I doubt it, as long as they can maintain their marketing...
mslansn 1y ago
Or maybe don't buy Apple products if you don't like them. Seems that would work fine and you would save some money too.
- lofaszvanitt 1y ago
  I like their products, without all the detours they force on me.
  - frizlab 1y ago
    Not how it works though.
    - archagon 1y ago
      It's OK, we'll make it how it works through legislation.
      - frizlab 1y ago
        Why? On what grounds? “Oh they are too powerful, I don’t like what they do! Let’s legislate!” It’s honestly pathetic. You don’t like it you don’t buy it, period.
        lofaszvanitt 1y ago
        Nah, they got rich by selling their products while brainwashing their customers, literally turning them into cultists. And in the process they just raising and raising their prices. So in essence shitting on those who elevated them. If anyone dares to speak up gets strong armed. Instead of giving ordinary people a chance to earn some extra income by creating a market for them, they squeeze them out. They force their fucking, non customisable, shitty ui/ux on people and they also do everything in order to hinder diy fixing of their products. They also skim the developers because they can. They create a soulless society in the process, and they just don't give a fuck. They just love their oppressing rules, so ft. What kind of inherently evil shitfaced scum comes up with ideas like these? Well, screw these greedy bottom-feeders. Do they think that hiding behind a facade, a faceless corporate entity, means they can do whatever they want? Pull them out into the sunshine, let them burn.

Apple is already a big, festering, malignant growth. The EU needs to jump in with both feet to let all that pus out.

owebmaster 1y ago

And I hope Brazil joins

IncreasePosts 1y ago

Maybe they need to come in with a scalpel. I feel like using your feet is just kind of gross for that task.

scottyah 1y ago

But they're basically the only large scale consumer computational hardware company driving actual, stable innovation?

simplyinfinity 1y ago
What have they innovated in the last 10 years?
- saubeidl 1y ago
  I'm not an Apple fan by any means. But I think it's fair to say that Apple Silicon and actually useful ARM-powered laptops was a major hardware innovation.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    It kinda feels like Apple Silicon was the exception to the rule. And even then, a lot of the innovation is hardly Apple's to claim: - ARM is not Apple IP, it's owned by SoftBank and licensed to Apple at rates low enough that it's impossible to undercut them. - TSMC's 5nm manufacturing capacity was entirely bought-out for Apple Silicon, blocking other OEMs from competing on equal footing. - The SOC team, who arguably did the most innovation of all, was gutted with the founding of Nuvia immediately after Apple Silicon's launch.
    - seec 1y ago
      Couldn't agree more. And recently they have mostly increased frequency to stay competitive, at the expense of heat, throttling and to a minor extent battery life (not that much because some efficiency was gained elsewhere). They look good on specific workflows because they are focused on specific accelerators and code path optimisation that they know is more beneficial to the way most of their customers use their hardware. But their lead is hardly uniform and there are still plenty of things where they are barely doing better than intel, if at all. And their GPUs that are supposedly good don't perform that well outside of benchmarks, efficient, surely but not exactly something to rave about. When you look at it from a high vantage point, there have been a lot of compromises to be made to get mostly efficiency/battery life, the transition wasn't cheap and some stuff will forever stay stuck. With the progress of Intel/AMD it doesn't feel like that big of a win. And this is also why ARM isn't working so well on the Windows side. So much to give up for not that significant gains. At least we know it was mostly about architecture optimisation and access to better lithography processes. Eventually they will all converge to similar performances and we will regret the code compatibility. Some big software houses (like Autodesk) basically got vindicated for not building software for macOS, it's not a really good sentiment for the Mac long term. It's not clear if any of it matters because clearly, they would rather sell iPads with a software distribution monopoly in the form of their App Store. Maybe with EU ruling they will change their mind, but I doubt it, as long as they can maintain their marketing...

mslansn 1y ago

Or maybe don't buy Apple products if you don't like them. Seems that would work fine and you would save some money too.

lofaszvanitt 1y ago
I like their products, without all the detours they force on me.
- frizlab 1y ago
  Not how it works though.
  - archagon 1y ago
    It's OK, we'll make it how it works through legislation.
    - frizlab 1y ago
      Why? On what grounds? “Oh they are too powerful, I don’t like what they do! Let’s legislate!” It’s honestly pathetic. You don’t like it you don’t buy it, period.
      - lofaszvanitt 1y ago
        Nah, they got rich by selling their products while brainwashing their customers, literally turning them into cultists. And in the process they just raising and raising their prices. So in essence shitting on those who elevated them. If anyone dares to speak up gets strong armed. Instead of giving ordinary people a chance to earn some extra income by creating a market for them, they squeeze them out. They force their fucking, non customisable, shitty ui/ux on people and they also do everything in order to hinder diy fixing of their products. They also skim the developers because they can. They create a soulless society in the process, and they just don't give a fuck. They just love their oppressing rules, so ft. What kind of inherently evil shitfaced scum comes up with ideas like these? Well, screw these greedy bottom-feeders. Do they think that hiding behind a facade, a faceless corporate entity, means they can do whatever they want? Pull them out into the sunshine, let them burn.