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>For a generation boys and men have been told that masculinity is toxic not that some extreme elements and fringe behaviors are toxic just as some fringe belief

>For a generation boys and men have been told that masculinity is toxic not that some extreme elements and fringe behaviors are toxic just as some fringe beliefs of many sub-cultures are toxic but all masculinity. No one ever told me that.

uberman 1y ago
Perhaps not to your face but certainly by society at large. What message do you take away from an article like this? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/suffer-the-children/201504/are-we-medicating-the-true-selves-of-boys https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/suffer-the-children/...
- reverendsteveii 1y ago
  That on a statistical level boys and girls have different learning styles and challenges. How is it that you take away "all masculinity is toxic" from that article?
  - uberman 1y ago
    When grade school teachers say: "I have a great class this year, I have 19 girls and only eight boys!" It sends a message. When boys are held back at twice the rate of girls, when an expert suggests that we are asking boys to behave like girls in school starting from kindergarten as that would be easier, when boys are diagnosed for behavior issues and medicated at higher rates that girls... these all send a message. The behavior of boys is a problem, starting as early as kindergarten. Boys being boys (masculine) is a problem that schools and society would rather not have to deal with.
    - staticman2 1y ago
      >When boys are held back at twice the rate of girls, So when a boy does well in school we should conclude actually they are female, because schools are designed so only girls do well, because this "battle of the sexes" framework is the best way to view failures in our educational system?
      - reverendsteveii 1y ago
        Or when a girl does poorly do we assume schools are actually anti-femininity too? Or do we start with the assumption that all misbehavior is masculine and therefore correcting misbehavior is antimasculine? OP has started from the outcome and tried to think their (his, almost certainly) way back to the facts of the situation.
        truthreason 1y ago
        You miss the point. Boys didn't USED to do poorly in school. If young girls needed to be medicated to be manageable in schools today and didn't used to have that problem, there is OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING different now than there used to be which is responsible. And basic psychology shows exactly what it is in the case of males. Young MALE children NEED physical activity (which we longer give adequate amounts of to young male students). Young girls are more sedate and can sit without physical activities for long periods that young males cannot. Our schools now deny the very nature of young males, forcing them to indure conditions anathema to their nature and when they become loud, noisy, physically active, exhibiting behavior any good child psychology text book says is NORMAL for boys deprived of their NEEDED activity, they are labeled a PROBLEM and are DRUGGED INTO DOCILITY! Boys are now labeled PROBLEMS for being NORMAL! THAT is the problem and your complete lack of ordinary human empathy for HALF the CHILDREN in the country being DRUGGED to stifle their healthy nature certainly shows how nurturing, empathetic, caring, and possessed with any simple human shred of decency you aren't. Your reply shows zero feeling for any human being who isn't in YOUR PERSONAL GROUP. At least you've proven that a woman can be as cold hearted and prejudiced as any man. Clearly women really ARE men's equals, and in absolutely EVERYTHING...the BAD as well as the good. Thanks for illustrating the TRUE equality of the sexes for us. MUCH APRECIATED!
        staticman2 1y ago
        "Boys didn't USED to do poorly in school." Yes, who can forget the good old days when teachers would say to boys, to paraphrase Futurama: "I give your assignment the worst grade imaginable-- an A-minus-minus!"
        1y ago

uberman 1y ago

Perhaps not to your face but certainly by society at large. What message do you take away from an article like this? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/suffer-the-children/201504/are-we-medicating-the-true-selves-of-boys https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/suffer-the-children/...

reverendsteveii 1y ago
That on a statistical level boys and girls have different learning styles and challenges. How is it that you take away "all masculinity is toxic" from that article?
- uberman 1y ago
  When grade school teachers say: "I have a great class this year, I have 19 girls and only eight boys!" It sends a message. When boys are held back at twice the rate of girls, when an expert suggests that we are asking boys to behave like girls in school starting from kindergarten as that would be easier, when boys are diagnosed for behavior issues and medicated at higher rates that girls... these all send a message. The behavior of boys is a problem, starting as early as kindergarten. Boys being boys (masculine) is a problem that schools and society would rather not have to deal with.
  - staticman2 1y ago
    >When boys are held back at twice the rate of girls, So when a boy does well in school we should conclude actually they are female, because schools are designed so only girls do well, because this "battle of the sexes" framework is the best way to view failures in our educational system?
    - reverendsteveii 1y ago
      Or when a girl does poorly do we assume schools are actually anti-femininity too? Or do we start with the assumption that all misbehavior is masculine and therefore correcting misbehavior is antimasculine? OP has started from the outcome and tried to think their (his, almost certainly) way back to the facts of the situation.
      - truthreason 1y ago
        You miss the point. Boys didn't USED to do poorly in school. If young girls needed to be medicated to be manageable in schools today and didn't used to have that problem, there is OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING different now than there used to be which is responsible. And basic psychology shows exactly what it is in the case of males. Young MALE children NEED physical activity (which we longer give adequate amounts of to young male students). Young girls are more sedate and can sit without physical activities for long periods that young males cannot. Our schools now deny the very nature of young males, forcing them to indure conditions anathema to their nature and when they become loud, noisy, physically active, exhibiting behavior any good child psychology text book says is NORMAL for boys deprived of their NEEDED activity, they are labeled a PROBLEM and are DRUGGED INTO DOCILITY! Boys are now labeled PROBLEMS for being NORMAL! THAT is the problem and your complete lack of ordinary human empathy for HALF the CHILDREN in the country being DRUGGED to stifle their healthy nature certainly shows how nurturing, empathetic, caring, and possessed with any simple human shred of decency you aren't. Your reply shows zero feeling for any human being who isn't in YOUR PERSONAL GROUP. At least you've proven that a woman can be as cold hearted and prejudiced as any man. Clearly women really ARE men's equals, and in absolutely EVERYTHING...the BAD as well as the good. Thanks for illustrating the TRUE equality of the sexes for us. MUCH APRECIATED!
        staticman2 1y ago
        "Boys didn't USED to do poorly in school." Yes, who can forget the good old days when teachers would say to boys, to paraphrase Futurama: "I give your assignment the worst grade imaginable-- an A-minus-minus!"
        1y ago