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The goal is to provide an excuse. Very few people will be able to provide a list of 100% of the accounts they used. This means every visitor will technically b

by crote 1y ago

The goal is to provide an excuse. Very few people will be able to provide a list of 100% of the accounts they used. This means every visitor will technically be lying on their forms. You're more than happy to visit - until you do something the regime doesn't like, like criticizing the recent attack on Iran, or making fun of the military parade. Then they have a ready-made reason to deport and ban you.

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soco 1y ago
You can call yourself lucky if you're "just" deported, and not sent to (and forgotten in) some unnamed prison abroad in a random exotic country.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  Are there any instances where the US has refused to repatriate a foreign citizen whose government was willing to take them back? In the interest of truthfulness, I believe all(?) of the CECOT deportations weren't accepted by their own country. Which doesn't make it right, but does change the situation.
  - Gigachad 1y ago
    At a minimum you get locked in a damp basement for an unknown amount of time while they book a flight for you, which happened to an Australian journalist recently. The general vibe I'm hearing in Australia is that people are afraid to travel to the US right now if they have any reason at all to raise suspicion (being trans, having posted political comments, etc).
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      Overlong detentions with limited communication / ability to contact lawyers should definitely be illegal. The check on enforcement excess is that one should always have the option to confer with legal council.
ghusto 1y ago
He didn't mention it, but I think he meant to extend it to "and how would they check/prove it?". The practice of creating pretextual laws is well established in places like Russia, but a necessary component is proof. In fact that's the entire purpose of a pretextual law, to have something (as ridiculous as it may be) to pin on someone. I can't see any way they could prove I have this handle on Hacker News, for example.

by crote 1y ago

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soco 1y ago

You can call yourself lucky if you're "just" deported, and not sent to (and forgotten in) some unnamed prison abroad in a random exotic country.

ethbr1 1y ago
Are there any instances where the US has refused to repatriate a foreign citizen whose government was willing to take them back? In the interest of truthfulness, I believe all(?) of the CECOT deportations weren't accepted by their own country. Which doesn't make it right, but does change the situation.
- Gigachad 1y ago
  At a minimum you get locked in a damp basement for an unknown amount of time while they book a flight for you, which happened to an Australian journalist recently. The general vibe I'm hearing in Australia is that people are afraid to travel to the US right now if they have any reason at all to raise suspicion (being trans, having posted political comments, etc).
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    Overlong detentions with limited communication / ability to contact lawyers should definitely be illegal. The check on enforcement excess is that one should always have the option to confer with legal council.

ghusto 1y ago

He didn't mention it, but I think he meant to extend it to "and how would they check/prove it?". The practice of creating pretextual laws is well established in places like Russia, but a necessary component is proof. In fact that's the entire purpose of a pretextual law, to have something (as ridiculous as it may be) to pin on someone. I can't see any way they could prove I have this handle on Hacker News, for example.