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This is the first time my iPhone 14 Pro felt inadequate. The app is so heavy that the phone is overheating after the first photo. it consumes so much resources

by mrtksn 1y ago

This is the first time my iPhone 14 Pro felt inadequate. The app is so heavy that the phone is overheating after the first photo. it consumes so much resources that’s the music was playing in the background stopped because my AirPods connection dropped. For the very first time on this phone I felt like I need an upgrade, it felt like the last days of my iPhone 6s. I didn’t know you can do that to an iPhone. The photo quality is supperb though, obviously not DSLR replacement but it really gives you that feel. Apple’s own processing has become too boring, sometimes I use Halide just to have unprocessed raws.

Aurornis 1y ago
> The app is so heavy that the phone is overheating after the first photo. I have the same phone and no overheating errors here. Do you mean the phone got slightly warm? That’s not overheating, it’s just what happens when you use an app that leverage the CPU for anything non-trivial. It’s not overheating. EDIT: The screenshot below clarifies that the heat warning is a message in the app, not the actual iOS overheating protection as ( https://support.apple.com/en-us/118431 https://support.apple.com/en-us/118431 ). Regardless, I still can’t trigger the in-app temperature warning on my phone.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  It's literally the app complaining about it: https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/b191e7b8-8dad-4fed-a86d-f6e15e4d2b08/8047326f-ed3d-4372-9f43-f7e336cfd66b https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/b191e7b8-8dad-4fed-... It will dim the screen soon, so much that it's unusable outdoors. I wasn't able to capture a photo outdoors yesterday using this app because of this. The first photo slowly finished processing but the app crashed, lost the photo. Then the device was overheating, the screen dimmed to unusable and the FPS dropped, the app become unresponsive and the music went away, the AirPods re-connected. Couldn't even try to capture a second one. It wasn't even that hot, just 28C.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    Interesting. I can get the app to crash if I spam the photo button and queue up the maximum number (8) of background processing tasks. Feels like an OOM error if I had to guess. Can’t get any of the other things you experienced to occur, though I haven’t tried Bluetooth audio.
  - josephg 1y ago
    I’d be shocked if this is an actual limitation of the hardware. Modern iPhones have plenty of horsepower for computational photography. I bet this a software bug of some sort - like they’re using the cpu where it should be using Metal or something. Hopefully they can sort it out.
    - astrange 1y ago
      Depends where it's being used. The phone can easily get that hot if you're shooting in sunlight.
    - khurs 1y ago
      iPhone have less ram though, compared to Pixels and androids in general. https://iosref.com/ram-processor https://iosref.com/ram-processor
leptons 1y ago
>For the very first time on this phone I felt like I need an upgrade, it felt like the last days of my iPhone 6s. I didn’t know you can do that to an iPhone. Apple got caught purposely slowing down older model iPhones. https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay-113-million-to-settle-batterygate-case-over-iphone-slowdowns https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay...
- astrange 1y ago
  Because of how aged batteries work, if you don't purposely slow down the phone sometimes it'll shut off, which is worse.
  - sixothree 1y ago
    I don’t buy this excuse. I experienced it first hand with my iPhone 4. When moving from iOS 6 to 7 my phone became unusable. As did everyone’s. And there was no going back to iOS 6. It wasn’t the battery in any way. The upgrade basically made the phone unusable.
    - astrange 1y ago
      Those are called performance bugs. That was a long time and a lot of software development cycle changes ago. If it helps I believe the EU just made it illegal two days ago to release updates that make battery life worse. But I could've confused some of the details there.
      - vbezhenar 1y ago
        It was not a bug. I have similar story with my iPhone 4S became unusable with iOS 7. It was never fixed. One day I managed to jailbreak it, rolling back to iOS 6 and was astonished how fast and smooth it is. They just implemented iOS 7 with much more compute requirements, so only newer phones were able to run it smoothly. The progress of mobile CPUs these old days was crazy, so I don't really complain about it, it was inevitable.
qwopmaster 1y ago
Same experience on 14 pro - it got noticeably hot after 2nd photo, and after 3rd the app crashed and OS was choppy for a few minutes. And that was indoors, in 22C and screen fairly dim. Never seen anything like it; as-is I’d avoid the app lest it actually damages something. The photos themselves do look better than apple’s default cam, but not by a huge amount. Most noticeable is better range, like a photo of a blue sky with a few clouds seen through your window that takes up a third of the photo, which by default is either very dim inside or mostly indistinct blue-gray or blown out if focusing inside. Super-resolution however, especially at 6x (double 14 pro’s 3x optical zoom) is actual wizardry. On the other hand night photos seem like garbage - there’s a bit more stuff visible than on default 3sec night mode but the colors are nonsensical and details nonexistent, certainly nothing even remotely close to what adobe promises on their webpage. All in all I’m not sure what use it is with the terrible performance, outside of long-range photos that you really want to shoot at 6x zoom and keep as much detail as possible.
- pantulis 1y ago
  Another datapoint with an 15 Pro Max. I shot a couple of pics indoors in my own room and got the message. Seems the app is continuosly processing what's coming from the sensor.
  - Melatonic 1y ago
    Sounds like the app is just not properly optimised yet. The built in iOS camera app can do something sort of similar - you can set it to shoot in adobe raw (12mpx scaled down from the 48mpx sensor). Often the phone will shoot HDR by combining multiple photos. And in night mode (either manually activated or auto) it will stack (combine) multiple exposures for long exposure noise reduction and (maybe) exposure stacking. Setting it to a longer amount (max is 7 seconds I think) should thereotically combine more photos. The adobe raw format can store this info (it's actually quite underrated - I first switched to iOS with the 15 pro and immediately tried to find a way to shoot a true "normal" raw like a .DNG). I'm very into photography and used to be a professional film editor and one my favourite hobbies is astrophotography (with a real camera and tripod). The cool thing about adobe raw specifically is that the HDR stack is not baked into the file. If you open one in Lightroom mobile, for example, there is a slider under the far right "profiles" editing section. The slider defaults to the middle (50) which is basically the default stacked HDR look from Apple. Moving the slider all the way left will have it use a single exposure (normal raw - no HDR no stack). Anywhere in between will be a blend of the two. If you don't see the slider then you haven't properly opened the adobe raw file in Lightroom mobile (you may have opened a jpeg preview or accidently shot in .heif) It's quite counterintuitive because "profiles" when editing a non adobe raw is a totally different function (more like adding preset looks). If the file was not taken in HDR then the slide will do nothing. I'm not exactly sure what moving the slider to the right does (it seems to increase the amount of HDR or something - I never use it). I've noticed that when editing adobe raw on iOS messing with this slider seems to be by far the most CPU intensive aspect. Sometimes the image preview updates immediately and sometimes it takes awhile and the phone heats up. Sometimes the app just crashes. It might be using a similar algorithm to what the Adobe Indigo app is using here for image capture. Editing raw files also kills my battery life faster than anything else I've done (which makes sense) considering that it's a fairly intensive process. This was also true on previous Android phones so it's not limited to iOS. I usually stop any music playing at the same time and make sure the phone is out of direct sun and it seems to handle heat buildup well when doing this. If it does heat up I remove the case and put it in front of my car AC vent or some other ventilated area and it cools relatively quick.
vachina 1y ago
Par for the course for an Adobe app. Bloated, slow and meh output.
- fortyseven 1y ago
  Weird how "superb" was misspelled as "meh" here.
- Melatonic 1y ago
  Agreed on some points but when used properly adobe apps usually have quite good output. There's a reason Photoshop has been the industry standard for so long.

by mrtksn 1y ago

Aurornis 1y ago

> The app is so heavy that the phone is overheating after the first photo. I have the same phone and no overheating errors here. Do you mean the phone got slightly warm? That’s not overheating, it’s just what happens when you use an app that leverage the CPU for anything non-trivial. It’s not overheating. EDIT: The screenshot below clarifies that the heat warning is a message in the app, not the actual iOS overheating protection as ( https://support.apple.com/en-us/118431 https://support.apple.com/en-us/118431 ). Regardless, I still can’t trigger the in-app temperature warning on my phone.

mrtksn 1y ago
It's literally the app complaining about it: https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/b191e7b8-8dad-4fed-a86d-f6e15e4d2b08/8047326f-ed3d-4372-9f43-f7e336cfd66b https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/b191e7b8-8dad-4fed-... It will dim the screen soon, so much that it's unusable outdoors. I wasn't able to capture a photo outdoors yesterday using this app because of this. The first photo slowly finished processing but the app crashed, lost the photo. Then the device was overheating, the screen dimmed to unusable and the FPS dropped, the app become unresponsive and the music went away, the AirPods re-connected. Couldn't even try to capture a second one. It wasn't even that hot, just 28C.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  Interesting. I can get the app to crash if I spam the photo button and queue up the maximum number (8) of background processing tasks. Feels like an OOM error if I had to guess. Can’t get any of the other things you experienced to occur, though I haven’t tried Bluetooth audio.
- josephg 1y ago
  I’d be shocked if this is an actual limitation of the hardware. Modern iPhones have plenty of horsepower for computational photography. I bet this a software bug of some sort - like they’re using the cpu where it should be using Metal or something. Hopefully they can sort it out.
  - astrange 1y ago
    Depends where it's being used. The phone can easily get that hot if you're shooting in sunlight.
  - khurs 1y ago
    iPhone have less ram though, compared to Pixels and androids in general. https://iosref.com/ram-processor https://iosref.com/ram-processor

leptons 1y ago

>For the very first time on this phone I felt like I need an upgrade, it felt like the last days of my iPhone 6s. I didn’t know you can do that to an iPhone. Apple got caught purposely slowing down older model iPhones. https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay-113-million-to-settle-batterygate-case-over-iphone-slowdowns https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay...

astrange 1y ago
Because of how aged batteries work, if you don't purposely slow down the phone sometimes it'll shut off, which is worse.
- sixothree 1y ago
  I don’t buy this excuse. I experienced it first hand with my iPhone 4. When moving from iOS 6 to 7 my phone became unusable. As did everyone’s. And there was no going back to iOS 6. It wasn’t the battery in any way. The upgrade basically made the phone unusable.
  - astrange 1y ago
    Those are called performance bugs. That was a long time and a lot of software development cycle changes ago. If it helps I believe the EU just made it illegal two days ago to release updates that make battery life worse. But I could've confused some of the details there.
    - vbezhenar 1y ago
      It was not a bug. I have similar story with my iPhone 4S became unusable with iOS 7. It was never fixed. One day I managed to jailbreak it, rolling back to iOS 6 and was astonished how fast and smooth it is. They just implemented iOS 7 with much more compute requirements, so only newer phones were able to run it smoothly. The progress of mobile CPUs these old days was crazy, so I don't really complain about it, it was inevitable.

qwopmaster 1y ago

Same experience on 14 pro - it got noticeably hot after 2nd photo, and after 3rd the app crashed and OS was choppy for a few minutes. And that was indoors, in 22C and screen fairly dim. Never seen anything like it; as-is I’d avoid the app lest it actually damages something. The photos themselves do look better than apple’s default cam, but not by a huge amount. Most noticeable is better range, like a photo of a blue sky with a few clouds seen through your window that takes up a third of the photo, which by default is either very dim inside or mostly indistinct blue-gray or blown out if focusing inside. Super-resolution however, especially at 6x (double 14 pro’s 3x optical zoom) is actual wizardry. On the other hand night photos seem like garbage - there’s a bit more stuff visible than on default 3sec night mode but the colors are nonsensical and details nonexistent, certainly nothing even remotely close to what adobe promises on their webpage. All in all I’m not sure what use it is with the terrible performance, outside of long-range photos that you really want to shoot at 6x zoom and keep as much detail as possible.

pantulis 1y ago
Another datapoint with an 15 Pro Max. I shot a couple of pics indoors in my own room and got the message. Seems the app is continuosly processing what's coming from the sensor.
- Melatonic 1y ago
  Sounds like the app is just not properly optimised yet. The built in iOS camera app can do something sort of similar - you can set it to shoot in adobe raw (12mpx scaled down from the 48mpx sensor). Often the phone will shoot HDR by combining multiple photos. And in night mode (either manually activated or auto) it will stack (combine) multiple exposures for long exposure noise reduction and (maybe) exposure stacking. Setting it to a longer amount (max is 7 seconds I think) should thereotically combine more photos. The adobe raw format can store this info (it's actually quite underrated - I first switched to iOS with the 15 pro and immediately tried to find a way to shoot a true "normal" raw like a .DNG). I'm very into photography and used to be a professional film editor and one my favourite hobbies is astrophotography (with a real camera and tripod). The cool thing about adobe raw specifically is that the HDR stack is not baked into the file. If you open one in Lightroom mobile, for example, there is a slider under the far right "profiles" editing section. The slider defaults to the middle (50) which is basically the default stacked HDR look from Apple. Moving the slider all the way left will have it use a single exposure (normal raw - no HDR no stack). Anywhere in between will be a blend of the two. If you don't see the slider then you haven't properly opened the adobe raw file in Lightroom mobile (you may have opened a jpeg preview or accidently shot in .heif) It's quite counterintuitive because "profiles" when editing a non adobe raw is a totally different function (more like adding preset looks). If the file was not taken in HDR then the slide will do nothing. I'm not exactly sure what moving the slider to the right does (it seems to increase the amount of HDR or something - I never use it). I've noticed that when editing adobe raw on iOS messing with this slider seems to be by far the most CPU intensive aspect. Sometimes the image preview updates immediately and sometimes it takes awhile and the phone heats up. Sometimes the app just crashes. It might be using a similar algorithm to what the Adobe Indigo app is using here for image capture. Editing raw files also kills my battery life faster than anything else I've done (which makes sense) considering that it's a fairly intensive process. This was also true on previous Android phones so it's not limited to iOS. I usually stop any music playing at the same time and make sure the phone is out of direct sun and it seems to handle heat buildup well when doing this. If it does heat up I remove the case and put it in front of my car AC vent or some other ventilated area and it cools relatively quick.

vachina 1y ago

Par for the course for an Adobe app. Bloated, slow and meh output.

fortyseven 1y ago
Weird how "superb" was misspelled as "meh" here.
Melatonic 1y ago
Agreed on some points but when used properly adobe apps usually have quite good output. There's a reason Photoshop has been the industry standard for so long.