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This stuff seems to keep happening and the problem seems to be that it is ungovernable. How is someone supposed to fight this if they are not half as famous as
by godelski 1y ago
This stuff seems to keep happening and the problem seems to be that it is ungovernable. How is someone supposed to fight this if they are not half as famous as Cliff?
- kevin_thibedeau 1y agoTake them to small claims court for each violation.
- bmitc 1y agoSmall claims is such a huge headache, though. It's far more expensive for anyone person than the company.
- hippich 1y agoFirst time - when you learning all the details - may be. But it wasn't that bad. I represented myself vs insurance company with the lawyer. I did not get full claim amount, and could do better, but I got more than what insurance wanted to settle for.
- hsbauauvhabzb 1y agoI’m not sure it’s wise to fuck with the legal department of a trillion dollar company even if you’re in the right.
- labster 1y agoBezos is thankfully not Elon, he won’t seek vengeance on you for literal nickels and dimes.
- hsbauauvhabzb 1y agoNo, but making an example of you isn’t a bad business move.
- npodbielski 1y agoMaybe he just do not advertise how vicious he is on twitter. It does not mean that he is not vicious. Probably is, like every other rich person. You are not getting rich by being kind.
- grues-dinner 1y ago"Don't fight back when we fuck you or we'll ruin you". The bigger the company, the heavier the penalties for fuckery should be. They should be the ones to live in fear, not the "little people".
- hsbauauvhabzb 1y agoWhile I agree with you, good luck lobbying for that one.
- ceejayoz 1y agoTake who to small claims court? Amazon?
- kevin_thibedeau 1y agoYes. They no-show and you get a default judgement.
- ceejayoz 1y agoWhy would they no-show? They're far more likely to throw a couple hundred bucks at a local lawyer to show up.
- dreamcompiler 1y agoIn some jurisdictions lawyers are not allowed in small claims court.
- ceejayoz 1y agoIn many of those, the defendant can say "but I want one", and have it removed to real court.
- Aurornis 1y agoUsing your infinite time and money for legal representation to run a large number of legal cases in parallel?
- Waterluvian 1y agoTime and money, sure. But small claims in many (most? all?) regions are specifically designed to not require a lawyer. I think in some you specifically can’t bring one.
- hobs 1y agoIn most yeah, you need a special dispensation, and you probably just want normal civil court stuff then - its kinda the point of small claims to not need all the extra stuff.
- justin66 1y agoPlease cite a single example of that ever solving this problem.
- hippich 1y agoIanal, but afaik small claims are for purely money claims. I.e. you have to prove to judge/jury exact amount of your loss. It works well in case of fighting over debt. But more abstract damages are likely outside courts jurisdiction... On the other hand... It is cheap to try and see what happens, as long as expectations are right.
- MikeTheGreat 1y agoI don't remember why I looked this up in Washington state, USA a while back (bad work by a plumber, I think) but here in WA I think there's also a rule/law that you can only take individuals to small claims court. There's also a dollar limit ($4,000? Maybe 15 years ago?). But yeah, by law you can't drag companies into small claims court. It's meant to settle minor things like your neighbor accidentally backing into (and damaging) your fence, etc.
- WillPostForFood 1y ago10k limit in WA, and you definitely can sue businesses/corps in small claims.
- rendaw 1y agoThat's the "This is the hill I die on" approach. From all the lawyers (family) I've talked to, this is such a massively large money and time sink, regardless of outcome, that you should never do it, even if it means fraud goes unchecked.
- devnullbrain 1y agoEven small claims?
- rendaw 1y agoRight, that's what I was told... I'd love to have a lawyer chime in and say "Go for it, it's easy and it improves accountability" though. Like if it only took a day and $100 it'd probably be worth it to me, regardless of the outcome.
- leviathant 1y agoI took a business to small claims over a $1500 invoice they decided they weren't going to pay. It took a year before I was in court, the judge decided in my favor, and I had to schedule a sheriff's sale because the bully I was dealing with refused to acknowledge that they lost. I did get paid in the end, and there was the satisfaction of sticking it to a bully, but financially, it was not worth the effort.
- account42 1y ago*for the first violation after which they refuse to do business with you.
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- dleslie 1y agoMy prime subscription expires this week. Perhaps the correct response to this systemic incompetence is to simply no longer give them money.
- godelski 1y agoI dropped mine because frankly, you don't get much from it anymore. Pricing is often identical and frankly, you can just go to the store's site and 99% of the time get the same price
- bluGill 1y agoLook for other suppliers. For everything I'm interested in I can find some small shop that has real reviews and advice. it takes a little effort to find them but they know their product and so it is worth finding them-
- godelski 1y agoI do mostly but off Amazon but that doesn't mean I don't understand that until more people do this these brands still have to be on amazon. You're kinda missing the point
- squigz 1y agoWhat is the point? How do you think people should fight back against this?
- ascii_wave 1y agoLegislation, imo
- bluGill 1y agoLegislation is sometimes the only answer, but there are many unintended consequences to every attempt and so I consider it a last resort to be used carefully only when you must.
- CliffStoll 1y agoFame, alas, is of little use when you're a tiny seller. Indeed, Amazon's brand registry and seller interaction systems are built to minimize human interactions.
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- godelski 1y agoI'm sorry they did this to you. But you're famous in my book. Not just because the bottles either!