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Last time I got a job offer the hiring process took ~4 months with seven steps, and I had to answer within 3 days. I do not get how is anyone realistically sup

Last time I got a job offer the hiring process took ~4 months with seven steps, and I had to answer within 3 days. I do not get how is anyone realistically supposed to coincide the multiple offers they get. Unless you are already in an extremely privileged position, I cannot even imagine how you can do that.

rsanek 1y ago
you tell everyone up front what your timeline is, months ahead of time. that way, all of them coincide and you get maximum leverage. last job search i got 4 offers to line up that i could use in negotiations.
- PNewling 1y ago
  > you tell everyone up front what your timeline is, months ahead of time Honestly curious how this conversation goes, like "I'm busy with xyz for the next four weeks, then I can do round two of interviews..." or how does that go?
  - rsanek 1y ago
    i was simply transparent that i wanted to make an informed decision and was talking with multiple other companies. i let the recruiter themselves schedule when they'd like me to do interviews for the timing of the offer to work out -- after all that's i think one of the recruiters main assets / abilities, knowing the inside of how the company works and how long a certain stage usually takes. one company offered to give me an offer early but warned that it would expire before my timeline. i told them they can give me an offer whenever but I will not be making a decision before the timeline i communicated. they ended up giving it to me early anyway and then extending the expiration when I said I hadn't made a decision by their original date.
sokoloff 1y ago
If you’re applying to Google, apply to them way ahead of the others…
Magmalgebra 1y ago
> I had to answer within 3 days. If you re-read the transcript, I hope you will come to the understanding that this is a lie. The company is trying to leverage your desperation for a job. > Last time I got a job offer the hiring process took ~4 months with seven steps Just like increased compensation, gettting the timeline you want requires leverage. When interviewing I always communicate that I expect an offer from a peer competitor within the next few weeks - this expedies my interview process. I always end up with a minimum of 4 competing offers to use as a BATNA. Something the article winks at here is that negotation has only a small expected payoff if you've navigated your career such that you're a "small fish in a big pond" so to speak. Someone who can barely pass a FAANG interview likely can't negotiate much with Google but probably could negotiate at lower tier company like SAP. *edit* I do this strategy 12-18 months whether or not I leave a company, it has never failed me
- flatline 1y ago
  This was the standard advice 2-3 years ago when the market was hot, I can’t imagine this being feasible for most people right now.
  - Magmalgebra 1y ago
    This has never stopped working for me - I interview every year or so as a matter of course. My experience helping others is that in a tightening labor market they are experiencing "small fish in a big pond" syndrome mentioned above. Compensation for the bottom 50-75% of talent has dropped significantly since 2021* - if you are in that band and chasing the same comp you're dealing with the "small fish in a big pond" situation. If these people drop their compensation expectations back to 2017 levels many of them will find jobs much more plentiful - though the very bottom of the pool is being driven out of the industry entirely. * this estimate pulled from conversations with engineering leaders and recruiters at large SV tech companies
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- scarface_74 1y ago
bigs 1y ago
It happened for me once by pure chance. I was looking to leave a secondment I was on, and received an offer, right as the leader of the client I was seconded to said we’d like to take you on permanently and we’ve cleared it with your company, here’s the offer. I used that as leverage and left. Otherwise, I agree, it’s a snowball chance in hell to coincide them.
jayd16 1y ago
Do the alternative offers need to actually be real? They just need to be realistic, no?
- sokoloff 1y ago
  They just have to be real enough for you to convince them you’re not taking their offer. That risks you having to not take their offer, of course.
osnium123 1y ago
In areas with dominant employers who are doing layoff s, I have been told that I have 12 hours to make a decision.

rsanek 1y ago

you tell everyone up front what your timeline is, months ahead of time. that way, all of them coincide and you get maximum leverage. last job search i got 4 offers to line up that i could use in negotiations.

PNewling 1y ago
> you tell everyone up front what your timeline is, months ahead of time Honestly curious how this conversation goes, like "I'm busy with xyz for the next four weeks, then I can do round two of interviews..." or how does that go?
- rsanek 1y ago
  i was simply transparent that i wanted to make an informed decision and was talking with multiple other companies. i let the recruiter themselves schedule when they'd like me to do interviews for the timing of the offer to work out -- after all that's i think one of the recruiters main assets / abilities, knowing the inside of how the company works and how long a certain stage usually takes. one company offered to give me an offer early but warned that it would expire before my timeline. i told them they can give me an offer whenever but I will not be making a decision before the timeline i communicated. they ended up giving it to me early anyway and then extending the expiration when I said I hadn't made a decision by their original date.

sokoloff 1y ago

If you’re applying to Google, apply to them way ahead of the others…

Magmalgebra 1y ago

> I had to answer within 3 days. If you re-read the transcript, I hope you will come to the understanding that this is a lie. The company is trying to leverage your desperation for a job. > Last time I got a job offer the hiring process took ~4 months with seven steps Just like increased compensation, gettting the timeline you want requires leverage. When interviewing I always communicate that I expect an offer from a peer competitor within the next few weeks - this expedies my interview process. I always end up with a minimum of 4 competing offers to use as a BATNA. Something the article winks at here is that negotation has only a small expected payoff if you've navigated your career such that you're a "small fish in a big pond" so to speak. Someone who can barely pass a FAANG interview likely can't negotiate much with Google but probably could negotiate at lower tier company like SAP. *edit* I do this strategy 12-18 months whether or not I leave a company, it has never failed me

flatline 1y ago
This was the standard advice 2-3 years ago when the market was hot, I can’t imagine this being feasible for most people right now.
- Magmalgebra 1y ago
  This has never stopped working for me - I interview every year or so as a matter of course. My experience helping others is that in a tightening labor market they are experiencing "small fish in a big pond" syndrome mentioned above. Compensation for the bottom 50-75% of talent has dropped significantly since 2021* - if you are in that band and chasing the same comp you're dealing with the "small fish in a big pond" situation. If these people drop their compensation expectations back to 2017 levels many of them will find jobs much more plentiful - though the very bottom of the pool is being driven out of the industry entirely. * this estimate pulled from conversations with engineering leaders and recruiters at large SV tech companies
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scarface_74 1y ago

bigs 1y ago

It happened for me once by pure chance. I was looking to leave a secondment I was on, and received an offer, right as the leader of the client I was seconded to said we’d like to take you on permanently and we’ve cleared it with your company, here’s the offer. I used that as leverage and left. Otherwise, I agree, it’s a snowball chance in hell to coincide them.

jayd16 1y ago

Do the alternative offers need to actually be real? They just need to be realistic, no?

sokoloff 1y ago
They just have to be real enough for you to convince them you’re not taking their offer. That risks you having to not take their offer, of course.

osnium123 1y ago

In areas with dominant employers who are doing layoff s, I have been told that I have 12 hours to make a decision.