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Incredible to see the bloodlust and warmongering here, cloaked in the language of technical interest.
by apu 1y ago
Incredible to see the bloodlust and warmongering here, cloaked in the language of technical interest.
- einpoklum 1y ago[flagged]
- GuardianCaveman 1y agoIncredible to see the people who have zero contact with extremist Muslims or familiarity with what the Quran and hadiths actually say or understand Iran in any way talking about how Iran is the victim or burying their heads in the sand with their coexist bumper stickers acting like we can just be nice and everyone will get along.
- viccis 1y ago>extremist Muslims or familiarity with what the Quran and hadiths You can easily find stuff in the Bible and the Torah or Talmud that would shock you. And Israel even acts on the latter. But conveniently it's just the Muslim world, one beset with colonial extraction for centuries, that you care about. Not the people in the US who supported wars killings hundreds of thousands over the last few decades for religious reasons. Hmm.
- EvgeniyZh 1y ago> the Muslim world, one beset with colonial extraction for centuries Surely you mean on the side of extractors? The Ottoman Empire practiced mass movement of people (sürgün), basically settler colonialism; earlier Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates are among the largest empires in history, and their population was mass converted to Islam.
- viccis 1y agoThe Ottoman Empire did indeed subject a large portion of the Muslim world to colonial extraction.
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- adhamsalama 1y agoBro just one more war in the middle east bro it'll be good this time bro they're terrorists bro just believe me bro
- LAC-Tech 1y agoIt feels disingenuous to talk of extremist muslims when we have extremist jews bombing 4 countries in 2 years, and committing a genocide. Iran has killed a lot less civilians than Israel and it isn't even close. I'm much less worried about them getting the bomb than I am about the fact Israel already has it.
- timeon 1y ago> acting like we can just be nice and everyone will get along "We"? As far as I know US is not part of that region. Also I remember current president was campaigning on not starting wars. And yet here we are.
- Aachen 1y agoWith intercontinental weapons and shipping, we're sorta all part of every region. In Zeeland I'm literally as far from New Zealand as humanly possible, but if another SARS pops up there or a war breaks out there, it's very likely to affect me in some way So I guess we're on the same anti-war side, but for opposite reasons?
- khazhoux 1y agoWhy do you see it as bloodlust though? If (if) this destroyed a nuclear weapons program, that is good for the world. No one can predict the downstream consequences of today, but I fail to see an argument for why the world benefits from another nation getting the bomb.
- LAC-Tech 1y agoThe only nation in the middle east with a nuclear weapons program is Israel. Why not destroy that one? It's objectively more of a threat to the region than Iran's.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> only nation in the middle east with a nuclear weapons program is Israel. Why not destroy that one? Put simply: they have it. One of the unfair truths of nuclear geopolitics is the power asymmetry between nuclear and non-nuclear states. (And the collective interest of the former in nuclear NIMBYism.)
- IncreasePosts 1y agoYes, I guess if all of your neighbors want to kill Jews, then having Jews there is quite the threat!
- LAC-Tech 1y agoThe amount of jews killed by Israels neighbours is statistically insignificant compared to the amount of gentiles killed by Israel. Jewish lives are not worth more than other peoples.
- tguvot 1y ago>The amount of jews killed by Israels neighbours is statistically insignificant it's not for lack of trying
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- nsingh2 1y agoEmpathy for the Iranian people, whose budding democratic movement was crushed by the United States, for oil. The ones who are trying to fight for their own freedom from a repressive government, in the middle of this whole mess. All these events risk spiraling the whole region into chaos, and creating another ISIS-like militancy, the brutality of which is going to be felt by the Iranians first and foremost.
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- jhanschoo 1y agoInternally theocratic countries can also be diplomatically reasonable when it comes to the use of arms. The measured retaliation against the unprovoked bombing of its Iranian consulate in Syria leads me to see that it is quite reasonable in its actions.
- buangakun 1y agoAs usual, the people who like war are the people who've never gone to war. They cower behind their the comfort of their home, AC, keyboards, western paycheck and standards of living while trying to be (seen) as "rational" and "stoic". They talk like there is good sides and bad sides in war, right sides and wrong sides. Most of them are these small powerless men who dream of power fantasy. I wonder, will today's children who is seeing this spectacles of war in 4K, all gore and guts and destruction, will grow up to be better leaders for all? Or are they going to grow up just like their parents, small powerless trigger-happy men filled with mid-life crisis.
- blakehawkins 1y agoFalse dichotomy final boss
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- vincnetas 1y agocounter argument GDP of Baltic states has gone up by hundreds percents since 1990. But we are now closer to war thanks to our "great" neighbor (russia) than ever before. By the way GDP going up has not saved Ukraine from war either. So i would not discard moral superiority so fast.
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- karmakurtisaani 1y agoBut have you seen how cool the bunker buster bombs are? Like, how, incredible the engineering there is? It's going to be so awesome see those in action! The same people would have drooled over the engineering of concentration camps. "Yeah it's sad there's some human casualties, but you have to appreciate the thought that went into it, and imagine doing that at that scale!"
- nailer 1y agoHow do you think destroying a nuclear engagement is similar to building a concentration camp?
- muzani 1y agoI find it incredibly sad. It tugs at a lot of old memories, as we've been talking about an Iran war since I was in college. Plenty of friends on both sides. Bloodlust is one thing, but the dehumanization is just far worse. Maybe they go hand in hand - you can't want to see someone die unless you think of them as inhuman. There's something about social media where it has been amplifying this dehumanization as well. So another layer of sadness where it feels like we could have, should have prevented this. Like an asteroid strike or a global pandemic, it feels like one of those things that should never happen until it does. I remember looking at 80000hours and thinking, nah... nuclear warfare will never happen, let's focus on AI.
- petesergeant 1y agoYou have plenty of friends who are supporters of the regime in Iran and its pursuit of a nuclear weapon, or just plenty of Iranian friends? Those feel like very distinct categories.
- Barrin92 1y ago>Those feel like very distinct categories. They aren't. In the sense that, while a lot of Iranians are exasperated with their clerical elite under normal conditions and abscence of external threats, even domestic regime opponents tend to be very allergic to having their sovereignty destroyed by the US. Iraq should have been a lesson in that regard ("they'll greet us as liberators"), apparently it was not.
- regularjack 1y agoI'm more scared of the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons than I am of Iran
- muzani 1y agoThey do seem distinct. The ones who are Iranian are not the ones who support the Iranian regime. It's the anti-Israeli groups who support Iran's nuclear aspirations. Similarly, the Israeli friends are also not in support with Israel's actions. I'm positive there's some selection bias here - ultra-nationalists don't hang out with other races. But it goes with what we've been saying about bloodlust and dehumanization. The most excited ones are the ones who don't live anywhere near there.
- tim333 1y agoWon't someone please think of the precious nuclear enrichment facilities?
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