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Evangelical here. That statement is ignorant.
by RickJWagner 1y ago
Evangelical here.
That statement is ignorant.
- handfuloflight 1y agoDo you speak for them all? If you do, please clarify.
- RickJWagner 1y agoI speak for myself, of course. And the people I know in my community. Do you believe all evangelicals believe the same thing, and that we want the end of the world to come immediately? Where would you get such a strange idea? I can assure you it is an ignorant thought.
- handfuloflight 1y agoDid I say they all believed in the same thing? I would not make such an absurd claim when Christianity itself is so fractured. Take it up with the sources listed in these articles: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/us-evangelical-christians-israel-hamas-war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/us-evangelical... https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseupr/2025/02/07/the-politics-of-apocalypse-the-rise-of-american-evangelical-zionism/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseupr/2025/02/07/the-politics-of-ap... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/half-of-evangelicals-support-israel-because-they-believe-it-is-important-for-fulfilling-end-times-prophecy/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/h... https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1197956512 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1197956512 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism You are clearly ignorant of what views come under the heading of the evangelicals.
- RickJWagner 1y agoYou said “you mean they changed their mind”. Who were you referring to? I am obviously proof standing before you that not all evangelicals believe what you suggested. So who were you referring to?
- handfuloflight 1y agoThey, as in those evangelicals who subscribe to apocalyptic accelerationism.
- RickJWagner 1y agoAh. Well, had you said this in the first place the conversation would be a different one. Yes, there is a subset of evangelicals that think along those lines. But not all of us.
- hedora 1y agoA quick internet search says 80% of white male evangelicals voted for Trump in 2024. I assume they’re referring to that, since project 2025 is exactly what they accused the evangelicals of supporting. Still 80 != 100, and not all evangelicals are white males. Alienating the reasonable evangelicals isn’t going to help fix stuff.
- jrflowers 1y agoCould be talking about, for one example, Christians United for Israel, a single evangelical organization with ten million American members. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians_United_for_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians_United_for_Israel Are those ten million Evangelicals somehow not part of the mainstream? Like is it ten million outcasts that the majority of evangelicals do not claim? That seems unlikely due to the fact that the count of self-reported Christian Zionists is in the multiple tens of millions in the US. https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/news/2021/10/26/video-the-christian-right-and-the-shaping-of-american-policies-in-israel-palestine https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/news/2021/10/26/video-the-christ... https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-sizeable-us-demographic-many-evangelicals-are-sending-money-and-manpower-to-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-sizeable-us-demographic-many... What I think is going on here is you either do want to speak for all evangelicals, and want to convince people that they all believe what you believe, or you are somehow part of a community in which you haven’t heard of or spoken to nearly any of its members. These are the only two ways to make sense of the “who are you talking about?” question; you are either being willfully untruthful about tens of millions of evangelicals, or you simply, somehow, haven’t heard about tens of millions of evangelicals.
- anigbrowl 1y agoC'mon man, you know there are a lot of biblical literalists who are all in on that end times stuff even if you and your social circle don't subscribe to it.
- RickJWagner 1y agoI agree, there are some. But not all, or even most.
- jrflowers 1y agoWhat evangelical church doesn’t believe in the second coming or the significance of the holy land? Like your pastor, at your evangelical church, preaches that these things are not literal? Edit: As someone that grew up evangelical, and has had evangelical friends my entire life, it is very strange to see someone casually say that the rejection of biblical inerrancy is an evangelical thing. It stands in stark contrast to the theology that’s fundamental to the faith. It is literally as odd as seeing someone get mad when another person says that sainthood or the Eucharist are fundamental tenets to Catholicism. I would certainly want them to clarify what exactly their priest was saying to make them feel otherwise. It is a real religion with a real theology! “Evangelical” isn’t a vibe, it’s a distinct system of worship! Biblical prophecy is very fundamental and a strongly-held belief and value that is taught in every evangelical church I have ever heard of!
- lunar-whitey 1y agoThere are evangelical movements within American mainline Protestant denominations that broadly hold to amillenialism and do not concern themselves with contemporary speculation regarding eschatology. They receive less attention nationally because they are politically irrelevant.
- jrflowers 1y agoAmillennialism does not necessarily mean a wholesale rejection of the notion of biblical prophecy. If anything it is largely a disagreement about what the fulfillment of biblical prophecy will look like. That aside, of course there are always small movements in every faith, but that isn’t usually super meaningful or helpful when talking about the larger group. I’m sure you can find some Catholics that don’t believe in transubstantiation but nobody is out here painting the church as being Eucharist-neutral.
- lunar-whitey 1y agoI would not characterize entities like the United Methodist Church or the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America as small movements. Both are evangelical churches in the historical sense and neither has a specific position on contemporary political entities as they relate to Biblical prophecies.
- eddythompson80 1y agoThank you for speaking up man. I'm an evangelical atheist and get sick of people generalizing what all evangelicals think too.
- shadowfox 1y agoWhat exactly is an "evangelical atheist" ?
- handfuloflight 1y agoAt one point in the history of the Internet, it was synonymous with Redditor.