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But you don't need to drop a service. You can keep it as good as it is. You just don't reward google predatory tactics by paying, as you are literally making YT

by stiray 1y ago

But you don't need to drop a service. You can keep it as good as it is. You just don't reward google predatory tactics by paying, as you are literally making YT worse.

matwood 1y ago
So if I don't pay and I don't want to watch ads then what? I'm not going to jump through mental gymnastics to not pay creators and Google for offering the service. If you truly don't want to reward Google, then don't use anything from Google.
- stiray 1y ago
  How did it work until now? Anyway, we both know that care for "creators" is "think of the children" thing, but I will play along: pay them using patreon (or, I have bought this: https://theduranshop.com/the-duran-gold-eagle-premium-t-shirt https://theduranshop.com/the-duran-gold-eagle-premium-t-shir..., triple time overpriced but they deserve it). For Google, don't worry. You have payed them, with your data, thousand times over. And if you stop providing today, your existing data will be exploitable for years to come. On top of it, by paying, you create a direct trail from watched video (data) to your account, from there to your credit card and from credit card to physical person. So you are giving them even more data. Anyway, if Google goes bankrupt, because of you, you can consider yourself a saint. Someone who has really done something very good for the whole planet and human society. I will lit a candle each day into your honor.
Workaccount2 1y ago
YouTube sucks because it works for advertisers, not users. If everyone just paid like you pay for anything else in life, YouTube would work for users, and be dramatically better. Unsurprisingly, the people who consume resources while giving nothing back are the ones making it suck the most.
- vntok 1y ago
  > Noone goes there anymore, it's too crowded.
- tempodox 1y ago
  In theory, yes. In practice, Google's core business is selling ads, not selling access to movies.
  - galangalalgol 1y ago
    But that is exactly the business they are trying to morph YouTube into. If we agree that being exposed to persuasion always has negative value, then ads are bad. Watching ads is the only behavior that causes them to persist. If everyone blocked them, YouTube would go out of business or switch entirely a paid model. If everyone paid, then they switched to a paid model already. The only choice the causes ads to persist and increase is to both refuse to pay, refuse to block, and still watch. So don't do that.
    - tempodox 1y ago
      > But that is exactly the business they are trying to morph YouTube into. They had so much time to do that, yet TFA is about ads getting more aggressive, not less.

by stiray 1y ago

But you don't need to drop a service. You can keep it as good as it is. You just don't reward google predatory tactics by paying, as you are literally making YT worse.

matwood 1y ago

So if I don't pay and I don't want to watch ads then what? I'm not going to jump through mental gymnastics to not pay creators and Google for offering the service. If you truly don't want to reward Google, then don't use anything from Google.

stiray 1y ago
How did it work until now? Anyway, we both know that care for "creators" is "think of the children" thing, but I will play along: pay them using patreon (or, I have bought this: https://theduranshop.com/the-duran-gold-eagle-premium-t-shirt https://theduranshop.com/the-duran-gold-eagle-premium-t-shir..., triple time overpriced but they deserve it). For Google, don't worry. You have payed them, with your data, thousand times over. And if you stop providing today, your existing data will be exploitable for years to come. On top of it, by paying, you create a direct trail from watched video (data) to your account, from there to your credit card and from credit card to physical person. So you are giving them even more data. Anyway, if Google goes bankrupt, because of you, you can consider yourself a saint. Someone who has really done something very good for the whole planet and human society. I will lit a candle each day into your honor.

Workaccount2 1y ago

YouTube sucks because it works for advertisers, not users. If everyone just paid like you pay for anything else in life, YouTube would work for users, and be dramatically better. Unsurprisingly, the people who consume resources while giving nothing back are the ones making it suck the most.

vntok 1y ago
> Noone goes there anymore, it's too crowded.
tempodox 1y ago
In theory, yes. In practice, Google's core business is selling ads, not selling access to movies.
- galangalalgol 1y ago
  But that is exactly the business they are trying to morph YouTube into. If we agree that being exposed to persuasion always has negative value, then ads are bad. Watching ads is the only behavior that causes them to persist. If everyone blocked them, YouTube would go out of business or switch entirely a paid model. If everyone paid, then they switched to a paid model already. The only choice the causes ads to persist and increase is to both refuse to pay, refuse to block, and still watch. So don't do that.
  - tempodox 1y ago
    > But that is exactly the business they are trying to morph YouTube into. They had so much time to do that, yet TFA is about ads getting more aggressive, not less.